Princesses

[HindSight2020]

I had an idea. I'm going to try to find out which king is the oldest and move my princess(es) to the home province of that faction in order to see if I can catch the new unmarried king in a randy mood.

I guess I'm having a problem with the concept of princesses. What is the point other than espionage?

If one of your princes marries another faction's princess and the other faction's king dies without an heir, you get part of the territory.

But if one of your princesses marries the king/prince of another faction, nothing happens, and the princess disappears never to be heard from again. The game specifically gives the message that they can get some of your territory if your ruler dies without heir. So why should you put forth any effort?

In my latest game, I've had three princesses married off in the first 20 years, and each marriage resulted from an offer made from another faction. I haven't been able to marry off a princess through an offer of mine yet in any game.

So what is the use of taking time to do anything with princesses?

[Dîn-Heru]

Raise loyalty for you most important generals.

[econ21]

I confess, I tend to forget about princesses too. In the early game, eg as HRE, they can be useful for general loyalty or getting a reluctant alliance. But later on, mine often sulk off to the nunnery (or worse get bumped off by enemy assassins).

[galingula1]

Yea, but ya get the gal to marry a general and he get's a ring (and some loyalty bonus); "x" ammount fo time goes by and all of a sudden the general has no ring.

My wife would skin me alive if I lost wedding rings like these baffoons

[Dîn-Heru]

Quote[/b] (galingula1 @ June 04 2003,17:18)]Yea, but ya get the gal to marry a general and he get's a ring (and some loyalty bonus); "x" ammount fo time goes by and all of a sudden the general has no ring.

My wife would skin me alive if I lost wedding rings like these baffoons
Do you have VI ? Perhaps the general(s) in question died. That would make the ring dissapear as you now have a new general.

Ps. I think the loyalty bonus is 3

[DojoRat]

In VI especially with so many generals with low loyalty it pays to marry them off to Princesses. Also, it seems to me that my kings are producing a lot more heirs on a consistent basis than in MTW in general. I guess if you know your gonna be dead at 56 you get busy and stay busy,
so to speak.

[galingula1]

Dîn-Heru wrote-
Do you have VI ? Perhaps the general(s) in question died. That would make the ring dissapear as you now have a new general.

Ps. I think the loyalty bonus is 3

Yes, I've VI installed. I understand that the generals die, but the seem to be automatically replaced with an identical fellow with a new name. The old and dead guys stats are transferred (what seams to be verbatim) to the new fellow. However, the ring disappears.

Does the generals family retain the +3 bonus after the "death"?

Will marrying the new dude to a new gal add to that +3 to make it +6? Or just bring it back up to +3 again?

I would have thought that the generals family would retain the married to royalty bonus even after the main principles are taking the dirt nap?

Having to re-marry into royal blood AGAIN for the family would make for kids with big heads, don't you think?

[Dîn-Heru]

Quote[/b] (galingula1 @ June 04 2003,18:25)]Dîn-Heru wrote-
Do you have VI ? Perhaps the general(s) in question died. That would make the ring dissapear as you now have a new general.

Ps. I think the loyalty bonus is 3

Yes, I've VI installed. I understand that the generals die, but the seem to be automatically replaced with an identical fellow with a new name. The old and dead guys stats are transferred (what seams to be verbatim) to the new fellow. However, the ring disappears.

Does the generals family retain the +3 bonus after the "death"?

Will marrying the new dude to a new gal add to that +3 to make it +6? Or just bring it back up to +3 again?

I would have thought that the generals family would retain the married to royalty bonus even after the main principles are taking the dirt nap?

Having to re-marry into royal blood AGAIN for the family would make for kids with big heads, don't you think?
I don't think that the new general is the old one's son. But a new general with a different last name. So it makes perfect sense that you can marry another princess of, as it is a new person hense a new family and no chance of inbreeding.

Besides why shouldn't princesses also die. ( ideally a beautiful princess should be immortal, but they are also "humans" so they die)

So if you marry a princess to the new general he should only get the normal 3+ loyalty.

Sadly, (or luckily), the only family that MTW focuses on is the direct royal family, ie those in line for the throne. So you can't have different families fighting for power in the kingdom.

[galingula1]

Clarification is always pleasant, thank you.

I believe all that discussed above is true.

[Dîn-Heru]

You are welcome. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Dîn-Heru @ June 04 2003,08:30)]Raise loyalty for you most important generals.
That's what I use mine for.

Also, if there's another faction that I want to survive -- for instance, a sworn enemy of a powerful rival -- I like to provide their princes with wives. Don't want a civil war disrupting the enemy of my enemy.

[Sir Robin]

I only use princesses in the first fifty or so turns.

After that it becomes difficult to get anyone to marry them.

I will occasionally use them to raise a general's loyalty but basically I forget about them.

[jadast]

When I started playing I would send them all over the map to gather information for me. Now I find it tedious to keep up with them so when they appear I drop them on the closest stack and marry them off.

[cugel]

"if one of your princesses marries the king/prince of another faction, nothing happens, and the princess disappears never to be heard from again. The game specifically gives the message that they can get some of your territory if your ruler dies without heir. So why should you put forth any effort?"

If your king dies without heir then your faction is eliminated and you lose, so who cares if they get your territory http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

(Of course, I mean if he dies without ANY heir - including generals of the royal line). In VI I imagine this happens a lot more since the generals die off and are no longer of the royal line, plus your king keels over like clockwork at 56, So, if you have a king of 40 without heir and no royal generals you can just drop the campaign right there

[LadyAnn]

Stop pawning off the princesses wouldn't you? Treat them right? Make them becomes spinner and clothsmaker?

Annie

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Sir Robin @ June 04 2003,12:59)]I only use princesses in the first fifty or so turns.

After that it becomes difficult to get anyone to marry them.
Finding husbands in rival factions might be a problem in the late game, but by then there shold be plenty of eligible province governors. Even if those governors are loyal enough already, a boost never hurts.

I wonder if married governors are less likely to develop vices ... they have to come home at night and behave themselves more. I'm only half kidding.

[Brutal DLX]

The manual and also the in game text states that marrying a princess to a foreign king/heir will lessen the chance of that alliance being broken. So it should be more reliable than an alliance negotiated by emisarries.
However, that's the theory...

Also princesses are more vital now, with the 56 year lifespan of the kings...

[Hoplite]

I do believe that married generals do not gain vices as easily as unmarried ones. Apparently the wife keeps them in line..

[Orda Khan]

Hmmmm I don't seem to get many daughters

.....Orda

[Doug-Thompson]

Had another instance of an opposing faction's princess being very useful last night.

I was at war with the Byzantines and wanted to end it. My emissary offered a marraige proposal while my Hungarian army invaded Bulgaria.

The next turn, the Byz retreated from Bulgaria and then accpeted my proposal.

[invalidopcode]

I normally marry the daughters off to my generals for loyalty. However, the other night I picked up MTW:VI and tried to once again to marry them off to other factions. Imagaine my surprise when I actually took over an allied nation (that had I married into ) when the king and all his heirs died First time that ever happened in any of my games....