Total war series

[Balamir]

Well, it just popped up to my head as I was reading the thread where someone mentioned Gia Joe total war he-man total war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Yeh those surely will attract some little customers, but seriously, what do you think will be after RTW? Dont say its gonna end, who would want to leave the throne when they just got the crown? Nobody, I guess. IMO it can be maybe Ottoman wars (I'd be proud of that, Im not learning ottoman history in school for nothing) or maybe Napoleonic wars? Conquest of America? come on people put up some ideas, and remember that this will only be 5-6 years later, after we're done with the elephants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Cheers

[FesterShinetop]

I especfially liked Smurfs Total War in the other thread http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

But I think we don't even have to wait 5-6 years for the 4th Total War (if there's gonna be one). If the engine they are developing for RTW is only half as good as it appears to be now they can probably use it for another title as well (with some adjustments, like they did with STW)

But I think they'll go for the Napoleontic era.

[Shahed]

Colonial Total War is playable on a worlwide map. Playable factions include, all the colonial powers and the subjects of their conquests e.g English, Mughal, Zulu, Native American...

I'd like to see this, but personally feel that Napoleonic Total War may be next.

[dlundie]

I feel that napoleonic will be next, but i am always hopeful that maybe they will head into the fanatsy side of things like with orcs, elves, dwarves and the likes. I am a ex roleplayer for the dungeons&dragons era when you used books to play. But i will be very suprised if it isnt 18-19th century warfare.

[Shahed]

Ahh yes Colonial Total War would be interesting also becuase of the need for navies, and the magnificient naval 3D battles. A variety of terrain, ranging from the Sahara to the Grand Canyon. A variety of different nations, with different glory goals. e.g the Arabs would get huge points just for staying as one nation, while the English would score more for colonialism. Let's not forget the Ottomans though. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shahed]

I also think that there is a way to fit Napoleonic and Colonial Eras in one game as these periods are overlapping. Whatever it is I'd very much like to see the ability to mount global conquest.

[Knight_Yellow]

either

and expansion for rome

or

some sort of revisit to shogun.

[Celtlan]

IMHO it shoule be LOTR Total War as the next title or even a little down the line but i dont think thats going to be very likely.
Id have to go for a Napolionic version though as long as it includes detailed naval battles. How about a Gulf version or World War 1/2?

[Knight_Yellow]

i wouldnt mind a World war 1/2 version except that would it be possible to make it and keep the flavour of the previous total wars?


i just dont see a game working beyond the erea of the gun.
i hate the pav wars in MTW never mind the gun wars in napoleonic.

[FesterShinetop]

WW2 doesn't seem likely to me too. The Total War engine isn't just cut out for that.

A Fantasy Total War... hmm, I can imagine some people would like to see that but I am not one of them. i just like the historic sense of the Total War series.

[benF86]

I think even the Napoleonic era wouldn't functionate. I mean, they just lined up and shot eachother to death. And if someone stayed alive by any chance, he just went amok and charget with his bayonete over the battlefield to kill some guy that stayed alive on the other side.

And I would like to see Star Wars Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. Attack of the clones made a good beginning for big scale battles.

[Skie Mirror Silvanoshei]

Napoleonic Total War probably will be next. They most likely wont do Lord of the Rings or Star Wars Total War because it won't be original.

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (Acheron @ June 09 2003,09:29)]I think even the Napoleonic era wouldn't functionate. I mean, they just lined up and shot eachother to death. And if someone stayed alive by any chance, he just went amok and charget with his bayonete over the battlefield to kill some guy that stayed alive on the other side.

And I would like to see Star Wars Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. Attack of the clones made a good beginning for big scale battles.
You obviously havn't studied the delacasies of Napolonic warfare very closely have you? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Seriously, Napoleonic Total War would work very well, and would get a lot of people very eager for it's release.

I suggest all of you who wish for a Napoleonic Total War check out the Napoleonic Mod in the Dungeon.

[Balamir]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ June 09 2003,08:16)]i just dont see a game working beyond the erea of the gun.
i hate the pav wars in MTW never mind the gun wars in napoleonic.
That was just what I was thinking about since with guns there wont be a really important hand to hand combat. That means they will stay a few hundred years back. Or maybe they will make RTW real in a different way. Im referring to renegade, which was in the tiberian sun world created by westwood. So maybe we can be a general on his own, without the campaign mode, we get our orders from the king, and we serve him. That would be kinda nice, I'd say. And then you can raise cucumbers at your house when you've retired http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

I still cant keep myself thinking of Turkey. first it was empty. Then byzantines came, along with some stranges like hittities, ionians and lidians who invented money. Then the Great Selcuklu empire opened its door with Malazgirt battle. They were the first real turks. But the Great Selcuklu emperor didnt want turkey so he sent his generals and said go there and invade anatolia if you want, as long as you serve my banner. And so they did. But the mongols crushed the great Selcuklu empire and one of the generals announced his independence, thats second Selcuklu empire. They stayed in turkey a while, and then they were crushed too. Anatolia once again split to little landlords, Ottomans one of them. And ottomans grew and grew and grew, and then they collapsed because of the undisciplinde janissaries and not proggresing in science and art. A hell of a history, huh? and we gotta learn all this in school http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Sir Robin]

I would enjoy a fantasy total war, preferably without magic. I would just love to have orcs at my command.

I doubt it would be LOTR simply because of all the copywright issues and liscensing that would be required.

Napoleonic Total War would also be fun but I am not a big gun fan.

One thing that could prove very interesting would be a Chinese Total War. Set during the warring kingdoms era. Wasn't this the time of the great Sun Tzu?

This could put alot of the exotic flavor back into the Total War series that came with STW.

Another possibility is a Total War set in the time of the Assyrians, Pyramids, Babylonians, etc...

Then you also have a Golden Horde Total War. Conquering Asia with an army of cavalry or trying to stop them could also be fun.

I would hope to avoid a mostly gunpowder total war for as long as possible. I just love hack and slash to much.

[benF86]

That with Star wars was meant as a joke (altough I'd still enjoy it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif) and no, I haven't studied the Napoleonic era (have enuff history in school for crying out loud&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

LOTR would mean helluva licensing (costs).

China Total war or such would be cool. With the addon The Japanese Invasion coming lateron, since as far I know, japanese folx tried to conquer china.

Or, like sum1 said, a step into RPG waters and making you a general in FPS style. They'd just have to invent a good fighting interface (jedi knight 2 has pretty good) that would be useable in the heat of the combat.

[Monk]

seems to be alote of people wanting colonial and napoleonic eras, however i think we need to look at somthing. Shogun took place in 1530, MI took place in 1200s, MTW took place in 1087 , VI took place in 783, and rome is taking place 300 bc. if anything we are traveling backwards in time, if this keeps up then i'd say its on to Greek total war before long

[benF86]

Quote[/b] (Monk @ June 09 2003,12:09)]seems to be alote of people wanting colonial and napoleonic eras, however i think we need to look at somthing. Shogun took place in 1530, MI took place in 1200s, MTW took place in 1087 , VI took place in 783, and rome is taking place 300 bc. if anything we are traveling backwards in time, if this keeps up then i'd say its on to Greek total war before long
Wars between the city-countries (whatever they are called in english http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif) like Athens and Sparta etc? COOL

Main goal: conquer greece and colonize all mediterranian

[Obex]

Quote[/b] (dlundie @ June 09 2003,04:00)]I feel that napoleonic will be next, but i am always hopeful that maybe they will head into the fanatsy side of things like with orcs, elves, dwarves and the likes. I am a ex roleplayer for the dungeons&dragons era when you used books to play. But i will be very suprised if it isnt 18-19th century warfare.
I made the same opinion to my friend Trousermonkey, and he called me an idiot. This would be real nifty, provided it doesnt turn into a warcraft port.

i like Neanderthal: Total War, with club units, rock throwers, and, well..., stick throwers.

[Kongamato]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

The next TW installment will be Shogun: Geisha, a 3d action game for the Xbox starring a voloptuous Legendary Geisha who performs various special ops missions in feudal Japan, the Mongol Empire, and medieval Europe.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Or, somebody could make a TW game or mod based on those wild, recent Mummy movies. They seemed to feature several large battles with zombie armies and attacking sandstorms and rivers with the face of Imhotep.

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[Shahed]

Let me just add >>>>> http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Monk]

id like to add http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif , and http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif , and http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif ...one more http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif ok http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[bhutavarna]

Napoleonic TW would be cool, but should include American continent.

[Lord Of Storms]

Quote[/b] (bhutavarna @ June 09 2003,13:55)]Napoleonic TW would be cool, but should include American continent.
You can get a taste of what Napoleonic era battles would be like in MTW with the Lords Napoleonic Unit Betas V1.7 now available for download here at the ORG and you can also check the Nap. Mod thread in the Dungeon for lots of info, screenshots, and Links to The Lords web site which also has the Unit Betas for Download . Just added a Napoleonic Music battle pack to use with the Units, These Unit Betas are just that they are fully playable Napoleonic units that are going to be included in the Napoleonic Era Campaign currently being put together by The Lords, this will be released using VI as a platform and everything will be changed to give it Napoleonic flavor . Try it out for something different in MTW you wont regret it.

[shand994]

Why not just make Total War ie dont limit it to a time period, make it kinda like a traditional RTS where you can get random maps(for the campmap) so each game you play is on a different map, you can make youre own civ up.
and not have set units instead make an engine where you research/build weapons/arnour etc and you decide how to arm each units you create then design a training program ie one year for basic units longer periods for more elite units. you can cross train some units so then you could get mixed melee/missile untis etc. this i think would give the whole game a more open feel to it. if youre all confused about this think of it as a cross between the ceasar series/civilization series/totalwar series. this to me would be the ultimate total war game.
dunno if it makes sense but this is my two cents worht

[Lechev]

Quote[/b] (Sir Robin @ June 09 2003,23:46)]I would enjoy a fantasy total war, preferably without magic. I would just love to have orcs at my command.

I doubt it would be LOTR simply because of all the copywright issues and liscensing that would be required.

Napoleonic Total War would also be fun but I am not a big gun fan.

One thing that could prove very interesting would be a Chinese Total War. Set during the warring kingdoms era. Wasn't this the time of the great Sun Tzu?

This could put alot of the exotic flavor back into the Total War series that came with STW.

Another possibility is a Total War set in the time of the Assyrians, Pyramids, Babylonians, etc...

Then you also have a Golden Horde Total War. Conquering Asia with an army of cavalry or trying to stop them could also be fun.

I would hope to avoid a mostly gunpowder total war for as long as possible. I just love hack and slash to much.
To my knowledge, to make a Chinese total War will be a very good idea as during the Warring states, the are 7 major warring fractions.

IMHO, a good bet will be Napoleonic Total War or Shogun 2.

The down side about napoleonic war is the scale of the battles as during the late 18 to early 19 century such war is often fought in large scale.

It will be good if Shogun 2 will inclued a setting of the twice failed invasion of Korea by the Japanese ( lead by Toyotomi Hideyoshi ) This can include not only the Japanese armies, but the Chinese side and Korean as well.

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[Leet Eriksson]

Quote[/b] (Kongamato @ June 09 2003,12:56)]http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

The next TW installment will be Shogun: Geisha, a 3d action game for the Xbox starring a voloptuous Legendary Geisha who performs various special ops missions in feudal Japan, the Mongol Empire, and medieval Europe.
you already have that in the Tenchu series for the PS and PS2,you get to kill spanish,chinese and even some crazed CEO of a medical company in the future(with fat cops who cry Donuts,I need donuts when you kill them) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[FesterShinetop]

Total War X-treme Beach Volleyball http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Army men: Total War Can't wait for that one

Battlestar Galactica: Total War

They have SO many options http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[a_ver_est]

Quote[/b] (Sir Robin @ June 09 2003,10:46)]Another possibility is a Total War set in the time of the Assyrians, Pyramids, Babylonians, etc...

Then you also have a Golden Horde Total War. Conquering Asia with an army of cavalry or trying to stop them could also be fun.

This is a great idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

There aren't a lot of games centred in this era.

Uhm ... What about Conan the Barbarian Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Crash]

Perhaps the shortest leap for the TW series would be to the Napoleonic era. STW battes already involve a mix of muskets, spears, and calvary, and the battle tactics that include those weapons and units are not significantly different from those of the Napoleonic era with one very important exception - field cannon.

MTW already has a mix of projectile weapons incuding early cannon, that in a Napoleonic game would just become more accurate, deadly, and mobile. But because field cannon are such an important part of early 19th century combat, the orders and tactics for them could be something very new.

The strategic game for the Napoleonic era could likewise be more complex, due to the greatly increased role of navies, colonies, and more diverse political and religious factors.

So in that respect, stepping back into the Greek and pre-Greek era might be really be the shortest leap...

[LadyAnn]

The mongol series could be good. It will revive the memory of Viet defeat Mongols three times. Hope they will fix the naval battle thing, because one major battle (decided the outcome of a war) was waged on a large river...

Annie

[Boohugh]

A Lord of the Ring style game would be fun IMO. Just think of being able to fight huge battles such as the attack on Helms Deep. Licensing would be a problem, as Sir Robin said, as Vivendi currently hold the LOTR license i think.
Napolean: Total War is probably the most likely though. If CA do use this era, it would be nice to expand the naval battles a bit more to add even more depth to the game.

[Gregoshi]

Hello there LordHugh. Thanks for bellying up to the Org and joining the discussion.

Good one Hugh:

...expand the naval battles a bit more to add even more depth to the game.

Naval battles...ocean...depth to the game. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Lord Of Storms]

Quote[/b] (Crash @ June 10 2003,17:38)]Perhaps the shortest leap for the TW series would be to the Napoleonic era. STW battes already involve a mix of muskets, spears, and calvary, and the battle tactics that include those weapons and units are not significantly different from those of the Napoleonic era with one very important exception - field cannon.

MTW already has a mix of projectile weapons incuding early cannon, that in a Napoleonic game would just become more accurate, deadly, and mobile. But because field cannon are such an important part of early 19th century combat, the orders and tactics for them could be something very new.

The strategic game for the Napoleonic era could likewise be more complex, due to the greatly increased role of navies, colonies, and more diverse political and religious factors.

So in that respect, stepping back into the Greek and pre-Greek era might be really be the shortest leap...

Quote[/b] ]MTW already has a mix of projectile weapons incuding early cannon, that in a Napoleonic game would just become more accurate, deadly, and mobile
Good point in the Napoleonic Unit Betas V1.7 this has been addressed and a totally mobile cannonBattery unit has been added for gameplay and makes an interesting addition to the game.
I would like to see The Napoleonic era done by CA.
And then from there tie it in with The American conflicts that followed that era.
I think that would offer alot of possibilites for many campaignsm up to ther Civil War.

[BryanBoru]

I would love to see Greece: Total War. Just finished reading Tides of War about Alcibiades and the Peloponnesian War.........could you stop the might of Persia with 300, centries later would your great-great-grandchildren be able to do them same or will they fall to warring among themselves.....plus awesome Athenian Naval battles

[Nikodil]

How about Attac: Total War? Modern warfare at its best Would love to play with that police cav rush unit.

A better alternative to LOTR would perhaps be Warhammer: Total War.

Also, I would very much like to see remake of Shogun Total War based on the R:TW engine.

[Nowake]

Someone here for CHINA TOTAL WAR? It would be a great game indeed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (LadyAnn @ June 10 2003,18:07)]The mongol series could be good. It will revive the memory of Viet defeat Mongols three times. Hope they will fix the naval battle thing, because one major battle (decided the outcome of a war) was waged on a large river...

Annie
Good point too ... Really, having mongols, kara-khitais, tartars, nestorians, chinese, horezmians, afghans, vietnamese, japanese etc. would make this game entirely ... great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[JANOSIK007]

I don't want any fantasy CRAP

It depends on where doues CA want to go in time.
If forward, Napoleon is my first choice.
If bacward, I'd go for a whole new and exciting idea for the devs. Starting in the late Mesolithic Era, playing as an undefined tribe trying to becom a powerful empire. The map could span the whole world with different traits representing dif. regions. What do you guys think?

[MrNiceGuy]

I would also like to see a TW variant covering central and south america - Mayans and Aztecs and Conquistidors oh my http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Rosacrux]

Caveman: Total Bore

The greatest, most boring, epic, extravaganza in gaming history, brought to you by CA and Activision.

Featuring

- A huge strategic map, spanning from the Rhine valley to Tteutonburg forest

- A great variety of units: Stonethrowers, bone-warriors, stick-fighters, and awesome mammoths, trampling over troops

- The much-anticipated extra-patch Neanderthal Invasion bundled with the Original game

Setting the stage for epic battles in the paleolithic era, when Buga-Duga and his tribe of advanced Homo Sapiens begin their venture to take over the world. Mighty cavemen and sassy cavewomen, try to impose their will on their neighbours, fighting epic battles with as much as 325 men (and 2 mammoths) in the field at the same time

Be the leader who will bring the human race to the neolithic age, or even create a cultural wonder and advance to the copper era

Lead your bands of hairy cavemen against the fiersome Neanderthal, vicious half men-half apes, to fight for control over the fertile pastures of the Rhine valley.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

China: total war gets my vote.

Or else a remake of Shogun.

[Nowake]

China Total War is the best option ... although Shogun would be good too, anything but LotR:TW ...

[Maedhros]

How hungry are we for more TW? Rome is still months away.

Pelopenesian (sp?) or the China unification are most likely.

CA doesn't spend much on marketing so they will never spend the millions on LotR. Besides I'm certain I read somewhere that somebody else is already building it. It is going to be a clone of another uninteresting game with nothing new or exciting.

If we have a fantasy TW it should be based on teh 1st age The Silmarillion. LotR era all the great powers were in decline. It would be too frustrating to try and play as a kingdom that grows weaker with each passing year.

The Silmarillion was the golden age of magic, learning, and power. Much more involved diplomatic world.

The licensing wouldn't be tied to billion dollar movie revenues. Relatively cheap to create, and you have it out a year after release of RotK. When they are on the last push for DVD sales. Ride their marketing expense to wealth without sharing.

Very replayabel as well as it could begin at Drengist. The various nobles would decide where to build their kingdoms and how. Perhaps the hidden cities aren't founded or maybe they are and stay hidden longer....

To be honest I just want to see 100 balrogs rip through a legion of turgons infantry faster than a heard of elephants.

just picture those visuals baby.

[Oaty]

Did'nt even pop into my head till someone mention china total war. But I think it would be China and Mongol Horde total war since mongolia played such an important part in chinas history and maybe even taking it as far as takin the mongols to eastern europe but to put so much in 1 game would be tough. The more you put in a game the longer it takes to make and the quicker its technoligy is outdated. I know the poster of this topic works for EA and is looking for there next series lol

[Yas Terazawa]

I Vote to CHINA: TOTALWAR, or THREE KINGDOMS: TW..
That would be Cool..
Then CA 'd earn more much much $$$'s from Asians, including Koreans, Japnese, Chinese...
I am sure that almost of Asian ppl eager to C:TW..

I hope C:TW to step on KOEI's Three kingdoms series... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Shahed]

I love the idea of a East Asian Total War.
Will it make money ? Not sure, would need a great anti piracy system I assume. Last time I was in Asia I saw copies of MTW selling at 1USD per piece. I guess it would make money in the copyright protected parts of the world. In Asia most would depend on the customers choice, pay 50 or 1.

[The_Emperor]

I think that the main appeal of the Total War series is that it is very well researched, and quite historically accurate (especially as far as games go), and the fact that its all about Spearmen, Swords, Cavalry and generally hacking the other army into bits... and running them down as they flee for their lives.

Too many guns would ruin the feel of it I think, so while Napoleonic may be a good idea... Frankly the battle would be little more than Musket fights with Cannon, and a small amount of Cavalry. We have that now, just make a custom game with cannon and gunpowder units

Chinese:TW or Mongolian:TW sound the most likely... and will bring us back to the flavor of Shogun.

[Balamir]

China TW does sound nice really, but when I come to think of it, every ssingle nation on this world is a source of another total war game, is it not? No, no definitely not LOTR please dont, we want reality not purple dreams. Whatever they do, I trust the CA buddies and leave the decision to them.

[Vlad Tzepes]

Guys, what about Alexander the Great?

This character has everything: a small country to start, glorious battles, many of them won against all odds, battles in desert, mountains, jungles; he established a huge empire, including (parts of modern) Greece, Egypt, Middle Asia, Anatolia, Persia, India, Caucasus, around the Black Sea etc. He invented new tactics - remember the phalanx? - He fought elephants, chariots, in his time there was quite a variety of cavalry, archers etc. His friends were few. His foes many and strong: Persians, Hindi, Egyptians, and Greeks of all sorts - they could all make good factions to play Luxurious mythology, heroes, legends and so on influenced his times but he managed to influence the times more than everything. His tutor was Aristotle He founded new cities (some say at least 60, nowadays 16 are still alive), he started new ways of governing conquered territories, re-invented politics and, generally, had a huge influence in history... and died mysteriously at 33. Man, I would certainly love a Total War game in Alexander's time; because I do believe that (also) the history sense in TW series makes this game so addictive. And yes, I know it's not a RPG game, but what fait it will be to recreate his short-lived glorious expansion... or trying to stop him.
I vote for Alexander the Great

Balamir bey: Ottoman TW would be great, I agree, but what a marketing quagmire for CA, can you imagine? In the US they will probably think that ottoman stands for some kind of a new robotic character that slashes indiscriminately around... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Tzepes

[Lord De Moray]

I think in all fareness it would have to be a Napoleonic total war. Chinese, well that really is an add-on to Shogun as is Mongol. If the series is to be kept alive it must takle a totally different era. Someone said that Napoleonics was just lining up and shooting each other, wrong this was the age of manouver, besides in medieval times armies lined up and charged each other, true, but MTW/VI still make great games. Once you put history in our hands tactics will always improve because of what we know now, this will never change.
The whole game system is ready for Naopoleonic TW,
just look at the fantasic work the Lords have done already, god bless you

Regards,

De Moray (Marshal MacDonald would be)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think it is fairly obvious that the Napoleonic period would make a better campaign/grand strategy game. There are just so many more options regarding diplomacy and economics. However this period is already very well represented in EU2 and I can't imagine CA making a better grand strategy game then that. The focus of the Total War series has always, for me, been the tactical battles and China: Total War would be much better in this regard.
For example, how many land battles did England fight with France under Napoleon? I don't know how many but it has to be far less than would be fought in a game set in the period of 7 warring factions in China. There were 7 factions in Shogun too.
In China the point of the game would be to conquer all of the other factions and this would be perfectly realistic, unlike a Napoleon era game where only one country was after world domination.
Also in a Chinese game there would be little need for improvement on the strategy map and CA could focus on unit balancing, AI, and improved tactical battles, whearas with a Napoleon era game they would have to spend most of there time on making the strategy part of the game capable of dealing with the complexities of the era.

[Lord De Moray]

The Napoleonic wars covers a period of some 20 years. The English were very small payers in the battle field prefering to fund the big players Austria and Russia they fought countless battles against the French, plenty of scope for game play and action. I suppose the turn sequence of the game would have to change from years to months or weeks even this would fit in better with historic movement rates.

Sorry the China thing just seems too much like Shogun again, sorry not for me.

Kind Regards,

De Moray

[Sasaki Kojiro]

http://pub133.ezboard.com/fshogun....2.topic (http://pub133.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm4.showMessage?topicID=202.topic)

This is a link to a very good discussion on China: Total War for those interested.

[Maedhros]

I'm surprised by how quickly the Early China suggestion has caught on.

It could be great, visually impressive. Hopefully infrastructure and army supply would be a significant part of any such game. Much of China is rough difficult terrain. A good defensive general in a fortified position could hold against very difficult odds.

Control of roads and supply lines might be the most effective way to win a campaign in mountainous terrains.

I'll still hold out hope for a Silmarillion TW. Those are visuals and kingdom building on a scale even China can't compare with.

[Sam Adams]

The mid-gunpowder era is definetly the next step. It would include some very important wars and battles... say from 1600-1900. The US revolution, Napoleanic fights, colonialism, charge of the light brigade, US civil war etc.

The total war engine will work well for basically all of history before 1900... when combat typically involved massed formations.

The napolionic era contains a good mix of long range combat with rifles and cannons, as well as hand to hand actions and cavalry charges. Tall castles replaced with massive earthen forts and trenchworks. It would be badass. I would love to see a pickett's charge on the RTW engine.