Realistic battle building damage?

[Doc Holliday]

When you take a province, it seems like way to many of the enemy's buildings are destroyed. Now you could argue that your men loot the province but I think the general would be smart enough to stop his men from burning the buildings/cities. I think we should look for a way to mod it so that it only destroys one or two buildings. If I take Constantinople, the center of the world, I want a great city, not a great city reduced to a wooden fort and a spear hut. What do you think? Thanks.

[Sir Robin]

I can understand buildings being destroyed though I think it is still to many.

My big question is what is the difference between damaged and destroyed?

[TheRookiee]

When a building is damaged it means that it has been reduced to a lower quality building.

Like an armorers guild being reduced to an armorers workshop.

I agree there is too much building destruction. When you take a nice city, you end up having to spend 25 years rebuilding it back to what it was.

[jadast]

the destruction seems to be historically based. crusaders sacked Constantinople in 1204 and spent 3 days looting, raping and pillaging. from what I have read this kind of city destroying activity was encouraged rather than restrained.

[Portuguese Rebel]

Quote[/b] (jadast @ June 09 2003,19:10)] from what I have read this kind of city destroying activity was encouraged rather than restrained.
This would depend on the kind of general and circunstances. If it was a hard and long battle there would usually be more destroying, raping and pillaging. Not allowing for it to happen could be dangerous for a general... so they didn't press their luck too much.

[Doc Holliday]

Fine. Rape the women. Loot their houses...maybe even the treasury...but why would they burn down buildings at random?

[Mithrandir]

it gives heat&light, it scares the people and it's a pretty sight http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.

[a_ver_est]

Maybe the problem is that battles are not realistic in MTW.

You allways fight in open terrain and, in fact, you never take a city. If there were cities battles probably you will damage/destroy a lot of building tring to get enemies out of them ...

RTW will be better in that issue.

[benF86]

A question a bit off topic (or not?)

How could they burn down Athens? I mean, the buildings are mostly from stone aren't they? And I dunno any stone that burns http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[econ21]

I am not trying to score cheap political points or de-rail a game thread off-topic, but just look at Iraq now. It was a short, almost uncontested war and the occupying armies have been pretty restrained (in comparison to medieval equivalents). But I think many of us are shocked at the damage to the country's infrastructure the war caused. Today's New York Times has a report, Iraqi oil industry decimated by looting. What happened to Byzantium was far, far worse.

I suspect parts of France in the 100 years war resembled Afghanistan's degradation after 20 years of war.

I think a lot of medieval warfare was partly paid for - motivated by? - looting. For example, I was reading about the Islamic Ghazi fighters - religiously motivated, they were paid for by the spoils of war. I suspect the Christians could be equally rapacious (Byzantium again, as an example).

BTW, I think VI toned down destruction of buildings. It was excessive, IMO, but now seems reasonable.

[Celtlan]

Could just be the way my minds working today with lack of sleep but Id hate for any tabloid news papers to get hold of a thread where people are discussing realisim and talking about rapeing and pilaging in the same breath

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[Obex]

Quote[/b] (Doc Holliday @ June 09 2003,20:27)]Fine. Rape the women. Loot their houses...maybe even the treasury...
with a quote like this, you understand that you can now never run for public office.

[Portuguese Rebel]

Quote[/b] (Doc Holliday @ June 09 2003,20:27)]Fine. Rape the women. Loot their houses...maybe even the treasury...but why would they burn down buildings at random?
Don't let those feminists** hear this

**A.K.A ugly women in need of cooking lessons.