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Got 3 thingies to ask:
1st- There's a topic bout generals. There's a discussion about a morale boost if general joins a unit.
Well, I'd like to see one thing in RTW which was not in MTW and STW. That if the general dies, atleast the Elite units somewhat freak out and attack with double strenght since their general is gone. The generals were no gods afterall that's why I can't understand why the generals death in MTW can rout a winning army. As said, the elite soldiers should then go to sumtin' like berserk or such, where they would get a morale bonus and attack bonus, but would get a defense penalty since they would be too mad to watch out for them.
If the other units rout like non-elite, it's ok. But if every 100 soldiers will have a centurio watching over them, it would be a cool reaction if the 100 would also berserk if he gets killed. If they continue losing then, they break and run off with no option of stopping them.
I don't mean this "berserk" to be too powerfull just to show that the soldiers can get angry and to give them some life and emotions.
2nd - I'd like it to be possible, that not only whole units can rout. I mean a whole unit is more likely to surrender or fight that to run off almost holding it's formation. It'd be nice to see that individual soldiers can run off too, but are then if the battle is won, put to prison if a city is near, or killed because of treason. They could also desert into the enemies army but not within one battle; if the enemy wins.
3rd - Also, individual unit type formations would be nice. I think they will implement that, since in the video, the legionaires form a turtle. Except if that's a normal charging formation which I doubt since it's quite useless in attacking other peeps I'd say. Xcept archers.
And merging units on the battlefield. If two of my legionaires units get down to such numbers, that they could form a new unit, I could merge them on the battlefield and not have 2 small units.
Uh, one more thing.
The elite units would have, if there's still the generals unit present within some range and all other units are routing the option to just try to break trough the enemy and get the opponents general or die trying.
The legonares, in case of regrouping, always returned to their unit, no matter how small it was.
It would be an option to have the posibility to merge 2 units on the battlefield, but after the battle ends, to be represented again as 2 different ones.
some_totalwar_dude
06-11-2003, 16:33
Nice Ideas Acheron
Except for one thing: When either Elite units go beserker when there general dies should depend on winning or loosing.
when there loosing and things look very F**ked the moral drop of al units should be bigger than when winning, even that of Elite units (aldo not as much as regular units) Maby they could go in some sort of desparet beserker status, half routing halfly driven insane by the generals dead)
my 2 cents
If a general dies on one side of the battle field and some units elite or not are fighting on the otherside, presuming they are spread out somewhat, how will the fighting units know that the general is dead at all?
Hakonarson
06-12-2003, 04:51
Everyone quickly became aware if a genral had been killed- they were important people, often with distinctive clothes, equipment, horses and banners, and the only thing that does travel faster then light is bad news
However teh reaction of ppl to him being killed varied a lot - usually a close bodyguard would stay & try to retrieve teh body or go down fighting, but normally it would dishearten the whole army - elite or not.
There are 1 or 2 cases of generals deliberately sacrificing themselves in an effort to appease the Gods - eg a Roman at Sentium in 295BC, or Leonidas at Thermopylae in 480BC - in this case the deliberate act of suicide/sacrifice might give heart to the rest of the army if they were lucky...or it might not.
Even more rarely was a desire for revenge - the only one that comes to mind is the Swedes at Lutzen after teh death of Adophus Gustavus in about 1640-ish.
Units had horns with which they could "speek" to eachother.
If you want to be that exact that you take the distance in account, then you'd have to be able to command ONLY the units in close proximity
which is not the case, really ... not yet ...
I still wanna have sum sort of berserk attack http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Kongamato
06-12-2003, 21:52
Hey, speaking of morale effects of battlefield events and berserk attacks, what kind of effects would missile fire have on an impetuous, barbarian unit?
You've all seen the first RTW movie where the Barbarian woad warrors charge the Roman legions after taking some missile fire. This got me thinking that maybe this was an auto-charge, similar to the Impetuous attacks of fanatical units like Knights in MTW. It seems logical to me that some bloodthirsty attack units would refuse to hold position while taking fire, and would charge the enemies firing upon them if actions like putting them into Loose formation were not taken.
So, my question is:
Could missile fire enrage certain units enough to make them charge without orders, or would the normal effect of demoralization hold constant in all situations?
Div Hunter
06-13-2003, 05:31
That would be very cool if conditions like being under fire (maybe light fire) could make a unit charge uncontrollably.
Quote[/b] (Div Hunter @ June 12 2003,23:31)]That would be very cool if conditions like being under fire (maybe light fire) could make a unit charge uncontrollably.
In my oinion, it would make a unit run incontrollably http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
IMHO the Gauls were fighting for their homeland so it's a Victory or the Romans will take their home sweet home. In this case, I think that they deserve a morale bonus and that they would attack instead of run, except when at least outnumbered 3:1.
They ran plenty of times in the gaelic wars http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Never heard of this:
The year is 50 BC. The whole Gaul is conquered by Romans. Whole? Noooo, a small village still counters the Romans' attacks. It's surrounded by 4 roman camps...
Got the idea what I mean? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Idea for the Xpansion pack:
Asterix Kicks Rome's Ass http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
some_totalwar_dude
06-13-2003, 23:05
lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
that wouldn't be such a problem cuz we already have have the animations of romans flying through the air.
now we only have to do that times 10 and that should about be astrix ramming a roman line http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Big King Sanctaphrax
06-13-2003, 23:14
Asterix and Obelix could be a special unit...The pirates should be included as well, they were great.
Asterix with elephant atributes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Don't forget about their numerous voyages abroad. It would make a good campaign http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Leet Eriksson
06-15-2003, 17:42
Asterix and Obelix are nothing without their magic potion,so its better that they add getafix too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
anyways back to topic.I was thinking of how the units morale would plummet if a high ranking general dies,becuase some men on the battlefield think that the only person who brings victory is their general wich probably affects their morale,making them rout when they hear that their general died.If this is implemented,i was thinking if its possible to send a false message to trick the troops in routing by using a special unit(battlefield spies or something),i don't know if this was hestorically true in roman times,but i did know the muslims used it once when fighting each other.
EDIT:minor typos.
It would be nice if you could infiltrate your spy into an opponents army, and he would decrease the morale in the unit, by being overly pesimistic or so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif But he should be easy to spot.
lonewolf371
06-15-2003, 20:00
In China after Zhuge Liang died the Shu army managed to give their opponents, the Wei, a little scare that Zhuge was still alive. The Wei let the Shu army be and the Shu army was able to retreat in peace. That is the only instance of someone tricking someone else that a dead general was still alive that I can think of. The opposite happened at Hastings, where William the Conqueror supposedly died, the Normans began to retreat as they'd done so many times before on that day, the Huscarles for the first time gave chase, and then William popped up and routed the rest of the Saxon army. But quite honestly, such an occurance could be considered rare enough to not be included in Total War, and similarily with the 'revenge' thing. A few units, (Praetorian Cohort) might be immune to the death of a general and a few others (Roman Legion) resistant to it, but generally an army should flee if its general dies or flees.
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