View Full Version : Jomsvikings and Varangian Guards
DemonArchangel
06-13-2003, 19:40
well what's your favorite badass norseman in the medieval universe? My favorite badass norseman is the Varangian Guards, because they're extremely powerful, fun to use, intimidate enemies and are just simply badass, especially with those man-sized body cleaving axes.
Beserkers come in a close second, but there simply aren't enough men per unit to make them decisive.
Huscarles are cool, and quite useful, but their badass factor isn't high enough
And of course, old school vikings, the staple of the danish, simply, sweet and useful.
Jomsvikings: Nothing beats the badass varangian matching power of Jomsvikings, nothing besides beserkers of course....
Sir Robin
06-13-2003, 20:28
My favorite mean joe greene unit is the Varangian Guard and Early Varangian Guards.
They kick some serious butt throughout the game.
I think the beserkes are cool, with a few armor upgrades, they are incredible in battle. Combine that with a record low upkeep, which is pretty important in VI, and you got a great unit. Without armor upgrades they are too vulnerable though.
Don't fight Varangian Guards in the woods
ichi
ShadesPanther
06-14-2003, 00:11
....especially if you have spearmen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
...or archers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Jom`s hands down.....in VI they are easily the best unit and they will fight all day. Have had several games where they literally fought to the last man. (plz dont ask me WHY they had to do that) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Croaker
Leet Eriksson
06-14-2003, 07:33
Saxon/Viking huscarle.end story.
also Varangian Guards are pretty awesome,i used them alot in the Byz campaign,they can handle almost any unit(the exception are horse archers who shoot and run making it pretty annoying unless you have light cav(pronoiai or Byz lancers).
Byz Lancers, faisal? what do you mean?
btw, i voted for the Varangian Guard also ...
Beserkers
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Huscarles. There's just that certain something about them. I even enjoy just saying that word. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
(BTW, viking huscarles, saxon huscarles and early varangian guard all have identical stats..)
Leet Eriksson
06-15-2003, 00:06
the byz lancers are the new byz light cav to counter those annoying horse archers,its in VI.
huscarles - viking or saxon - doesn't matter. Universal unit. With a good general they kick almost all asses.
Have you guys not tried Joms Vikings? They will have Saxon or Mercian or Northumbrian Huscarles for lunch and still be hungry.
I should do a custom battle with Joms against Varangians but it doesn't really matter because the Joms have nobody even close to as strong to fight while the Varangs have to deal with Chiv units.
Joms Vikings are the best
DemonArchangel
06-17-2003, 20:08
Varangians all the way
Val 1 VarGuard costs 850 and has similar stat as Val0 Jom.Vik at 725.
Jom.Vik rules.
Annie
DemonArchangel
06-17-2003, 22:05
Well, it's just me, but i modded my varangians, so i guess jomsvikings ARE better, but varangians are still EXTREMELY badass.
Rocket_Boy
06-19-2003, 14:02
Vangarian guard eat Turks and Egyptians. They don't have anything that can stand against them
speaking of the badasses from the north, the viking.
Why do they all have Axes? historicly the axe was concidered a lesser weapon then the sword. The axe was NOT the favorite of the vikings. Ofcourse the axe looks mean as hell tho... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
well now you know...
im such a smartass http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
(my spelling sux... yes)
So far I haven't really seen much evidence of Joms Vikings being much better than Huscarles.
Of course, most of the time I've got huge armies full of both...
I'm gonna vote for berserkers on principle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I would give my vote to the mighty warriors from Jomsborg (that fell against a 2x lesser force in 986 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif).
It was a hard choise between them and the berserkers, but the Jomsvikings have gotten the role of a hirdmann/huskar in this game and is therefore the best.
Quote[/b] ]that fell against a 2x lesser force in 986 Funny if true http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif well not for them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif but in terms of the game that has them as the most powerful unit...
Well in SP, with two or three weapon and armor upgrades, Joms and Huscarles are pretty much invincible. I've used armies composed of each to attack against 6:1 odds and won easily (I'm sure others have done as well or better).
I would have to say that I prefer Huscarles for a couple of reasons. They are cheaper, for one. They are less impetuous, but still have incredible morale. And the Irish jav and dart throwers always seem to inflict high(er) casulties on my Joms.
This isn't to say I don't appreciate the overwhelming abilities of Joms. But I think its the upgraded Huscarles that win the campaign. I like to think of Joms as the icing on an already sweet cake.
Guthwyn
Hakonarson
06-24-2003, 03:14
Armour upgrades for berserkers????
Now there's a contradiction in terms lol
ShadesWolf
06-24-2003, 12:47
The awesome Huscarles
ShadesPanther
06-24-2003, 20:46
Joms are nearly invincible in mp the only way is to get a mass rout going or isolate them and surround them but tht doesnt garantee you will win against them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Actually never had much norsemen. Varangian Guards in the campaign? They need 2 turns to build, and then you have rarely built up Castles so quickly that you can build lots of them before you have won the game. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
i like joms...they been my favourite in custom battles....i love the way you can choose upto 3 or 4 cpu armies agains your army of joms and berserkers and yet win easily http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
what do u think will happen if TWELVEJoms meet TWELVE beserkers ?
it will be Joms pudding for desert, that 's what.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
Yes, it would be Joms pudding, but if 12 companies of Berserkers meet 6 companies of Joms (same build time) what would the result be? Might it actually be close? I know if I have Viking Huscarles and I have to face Berserkers (Picts) then I always try to surround them with more than one company just to make sure they don't rout my guys.
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