Should CA focus on ensuring MTW & VI is perfect?

[MonkeyMan]

Inspired slightly by Red Emperor the Invincible's somewhat odd thread that I closed here (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8184). I bring to you the thread I think it should have been http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

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[The_Emperor]

I think they should try and fix MTW as well as continue development on RTW.

But as far as I am concerned MTW:VI has turned out quite well. So while another patch for MTW is welcome in my eyes I would still rather have a good quality version of the all singing all dancing RTW.

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[Brother Derfel]

A Patch for VI, thats all I want.

Fix the mistakes and bugs you made me pay £25 for and I will then happily spend another £40 on RTW.

Carry on developing RTW by all means, but I will not spend a penny on it till MTW and VI's bugs are fixed.

[Knight_Yellow]

ehh no

screw VI bring on rome

just my opinion though

***offtopic***
(and yes im annoyed u know why well its simple its called the 1.4 patch for battlefield 1942 butchering all the mods so every mod had to release their own patch to get it to work, the vietnam mod sucks way unbalanced and the best 1 Desert Combat well there adding stuff to the patch so its taking longer witch means i gotta play original BF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif)

grrrrrrr
***ontopic***

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[Lehesu]

Total War? Medieval? Rome? WTF Wrong forum...

[Shahed]

If I were them I'd do both.

VI needs fixing, the company's reputation (sales) is at stake. They need to take their time with RTW, so this does not happen again.

[MonkeyMan]

Quote[/b] (Lehesu @ June 16 2003,04:49)]Total War? Medieval? Rome? WTF Wrong forum...
Why so? The EH is an open topic forum for new members and old alike to talk about anything. Given that other forums are specifically for one of MTW, RTW, STW and off topic entirely, this is the perfect forum IMHO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[jadast]

I am not sure if what I want is fixable with a patch. If the diplomacy can be fixed or upgraded in MTW than I would probably not purchase RTW at all.

[Demon of Light]

The survey itself begs the question. Why assume that people who want a patch made for VI want a perfect game? Kind of makes the results biased.

[ichi]

MonkeyMan:

Sinan hit it pretty much right on.


Quote[/b] ]If I were them I'd do both.

VI needs fixing, the company's reputation (sales) is at stake. They need to take their time with RTW, so this does not happen again.

I don't need for VI to be perfect, but fix the little glitches (in MP, if someone drops then the game crashes).

I also agree with jadast about diplomacy. This is one area of the game that could be drastically improved, thereby greatly increasing the SP game.

Finally, Red Emperor's original post was somewhat odd, in that he left out the option to vote for
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ichi

[t1master]

i put gah

but seriously they should fix the known and annoying bugs in both sp and mp, if only to show a bit of loyalty to their fan base, and our dwindling mp community.

[Balamir]

Hmmm, seriously I dont give a d*mn about them fixing VI and MTW, since its already a bit too late for that, because for MTW, it should already be done, and VI, it should be fixing bugs, not getting fixed IMO. They should just get on with RTW although I voted for a li'l from both because there are some guys out there that really need it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

cheers

[A Nerd]

I would like one patch for VI, but I won't waint and/or complain for it. Rome will help me forget http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[MonkeyMan]

Quote[/b] (Demon of Light @ June 16 2003,21:22)]The survey itself begs the question. Why assume that people who want a patch made for VI want a perfect game? Kind of makes the results biased.
Perfect is perhaps a strong word. The servey effectivly is worded this way in intention to represent an extreme point of view i.e. those who want a major re-working of the game code to put right almost everything they percieve as wrong.

I don't however think it is biased my actual opinion lies in the inbetween category. I want problems fixed that actually stop people playing the game properly. So crashes and notably for me the king dying at 56 problem. After that I want them to make sure RTW is the game we all want it to be.

Anyhow 'perfect' is perhaps an odd word to use but it can't be changed, the intention of the survey is not to further my own agenda, just to see what people are thinking to satisfy my own curiosity.

[Nowake]

Despite the majority ... I want RTW without delay http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Old Bald Guy]

Pretty simple for me. If they don't fix at least the minor problems, then Rome won't matter at all to me, because I won't be playing it. I do not trust them to make it a good game, only good enough to get the money.

I won't get fooled again. (Old reference to the Who for you young un's.)

[Jacque Schtrapp]

Other than the Death at 56 Syndrome I haven't experienced any problems with VI. Which of course means I want RTW like yesterday http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[SpiderFromMars]

The MP section of MTW:VI is severely in need of a patch, unless this is provided I believe very few MP'ers will actually purchase RTW. They've had enough.

The SP section of MTW:VI is also in need of some bug fixes, though the need is nowhere as critical as it is for the MP part. The 56 year bug is a real problem though.

So @ those of you who just want RTW shipped in record time, nevermind fixing what could become a total winner, not to mention the signal u silly lot send out to the developers who seduce u with eyecandy screens... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

I hope RTW is a real bug ridden flop.

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (SpiderFromMars @ June 17 2003,10:42)]I hope RTW is a real bug ridden flop.
I wouldn't go so far.

Indeed I hope that RTw turns out to be what everyone wanted, but that does not excuse Activision for leaving MTw and VI alone.

In my opinion they are spererate games and should be treated so. I don't want RTW to be viewed as a replacement for MTW, as I have very litle interest in Roman history and warfare, but I do have a large interest in Medeival history.

MTW+VI are games in their own right and should work how they were supposed to. I was under the impression when I bought VI that my kings would continue to die at random ages, this does not hapen. a new feature (autosave) does not work and crashes my games. I believe that I have not recieved my half of the bargain when I purchased VI, and I want this delt with.

Chances are I might have bought RTW if Vi had worked as promised. If it had, I would buy RTW with the belief that i would be sending my money on a well tested and good quality product. As it is I have no such guarentee and so will not be spending my money on RTW.

This does not mean that I do not wish others to get RTW, and indeed I wish all the best to those who do go out blindley and purchase RTW regardless. I will be far happier to hear that it is a working game than to hear it is full of bugs. But I will also not feel guilty about having a small 'told you so' chuckle if it turns out otherwise...

[Gregoshi]

The release of a patch is a risk in itself. It could very well introduce a new, worse problem. Anytime you touch the code to fix something you run the risk of breaking something else. I imagine the 56 year old king always dies problem might be one such example from the VI patch (as many have called it).

Having said that, a patch would be nice. I just cringe when people start talking about a patch like it is snake oil (It cures everything&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.

[MacGregor]

I'm not asking for perfection. If they just fix the 56 bug I will be elated and if they can't I'll just go on playing regular MTW for my SP campaign fix.

[Odinn]

I want them to fix the 56 years bug else I won't buy RTW.

[MiniKiller]

Fix this one first, will insure more buy rtw and more support it with its bugs.

[Cobra]

While the brunt of their effort goes into Rome: Total War, it is never good for a developer to turn their back on a game, especially one so recent and active as VI and M:TW.

[Gregoshi]

Hello Cobra. Nice of you to swing by our neighborhood and join our little community. I see from your bio that you go back to the STW days in the TW series. Those were magical days.

BTW, the WorldWideGameNet is a very impressive site. I've bookmarked it.

[Cobra]

Howdy, thank you for the warm fuzzy reception.
Speaking of WWGN, the Rome: Total War special should go up today, an interview and preview. STW definately was a great time, for me at least.

[Mechstra]

I think that they should concentrate on both fixing VI and making RTW at the same time, although I'm more concerned with the Medieval side, rather than Rome.

[Odinn]

Me too... I care more for them to fix on that huge bug of the 56 years...

And another bug I discovered. It was during a battle. The one bug was that my king fled the battlefield without my order, I thought the role I played was king, is not the king supposed to go to death if he wants to go to death? Instead of routing against his own will?.
Another bug was that while he was fleeing, he suddenly died, with no persuers, no-one to spear him in his back (and no there were no archers fireing at him either).
This bugs bug me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

[Cobra]

The king will run, thats not really a bug. Do you die when your king does? Nay, you are but a man who nearly controls the king, but his fear of the sword can override his fear of you. Thought the fact that he all of a sudden died is odd.

[Joejoe84]

I myself would say a little of both, but if they don't patch M:TW/VI I wont be heart-broken. I've played many games from different developers that would just send out games without good patches, buying games is a gamble, sometimes you win sometimes you lose, but more often than not you get decent games most of which i still play. The only one I cant stand is Civ 3's blatant balance issues but oh well, on to bigger and better things.

[Empress_Zoe]

I would like a patch, if only to fix crashes in multiplayer and the 56 bug, change it back to the old way if nothing else age bug, that will at least make sure that no new glitches surface.

Odinn, maybe your King had a heart attack? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Thinking of the way his wife would look at him after she learned that he had lost a battle, AND gotten the good runner vice. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[|OCS|Virus]

well I would expect one of two things, first either make it work right the first time. Or they should at least make the patches and mods convient for the everyday person. just my .02

[bighairyman]

i want RTW ASAP http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif