What units do you want in RTW?

[alman9898]

Besides the ones listed at the .com, what do YOU want to be included in RTW?

[Stormer]

Gezz thirrd top by you today http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif


the units i want are below, the ones in bold better be ingame or i go to CA on a massucre.

Spartan Hoplites
Chariots

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Asterix
Obelix
Getafix
Vitalstatistix
Dogmatix
Cacofanix....
So many more...
ALESIA NEVER HAPPENED

[FesterShinetop]

Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ June 20 2003,23:23)]Asterix
Obelix
Getafix
Vitalstatistix
Dogmatix
Cacofanix....
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Now that would be really funny. You don't need war elephants anymore, you just send Obelix their way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

But I guess we'll have to wait until RTW hits the shelf after which we can start topics about the units we think are missing from the game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[MiniKiller]

All hisotrically correct untis, even the most meaningless.

*look 500*

[Shorty]

Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ June 20 2003,17:23)]Asterix
Obelix
Getafix
Vitalstatistix
Dogmatix
Cacofanix....
So many more...
ALESIA NEVER HAPPENED
And most importantly Getafix, whose potions give your troops superhuman strength:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~xylus/gauls/getaf1.gif

[Nowake]

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btw, Dacian Comati Infantry and Scythian Raiders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif are my favourites.

[Vlad The Impaler]

greetings pr Fire my fellow romanian http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

i would like to see dacian ktisai ( something like kensai but mounted ) , bastarnae cataphactres ( germanic tribe allie under dacian influence ) , dacian nobiliar cavalry ( heavy cavalry consiste in noble )

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (Vlad The Impaler @ June 22 2003,13:34)]greetings pr Fire my fellow romanian http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

i would like to see dacian ktisai ( something like kensai but mounted ) , bastarnae cataphactres ( germanic tribe allie under dacian influence ) , dacian nobiliar cavalry ( heavy cavalry consiste in noble )
Greetings, Vlad ...

If you want to see a dacian unit tree, then you'd better take a look at this, Vlad ... this is a description posted by me at .com, where we had a heated debate about including the dacians and jews ... I think it was a bet between me and Oberiko, if I remember corectly ... Anyway, this unit tree is very hystorically accurate, I can asure you ... I'll be posting this untill someone from CA will say something about dacian, or atg least untill the unit descriptions will start covering the dacians.


Question: where have you found references to ktisai and what were those people exactly?


Pileati Guards: raised from among the tarabostes families, these men were trained from infancy to act as personal bodyguards and elite cavalry. They owed loyalty only to the royal family, and they lacked in "praetorian initiatives" ; best horses, best armour and best weapons were available to them, as for that the falces (dacian huge straight swords) being prefered. On the battlefield they carried the royal dracones and were completely reliable and disciplined.

Kogaionons' Pleistoi: also called the "foundators", "gods' worshipers", "walkers on smoke", this sect of dacian monks, who weren't consuming meat, didn't have sexual relations and practiced some form of oriental mysteria, was giving its full allegiance to the royalty; defenders of the Koganoions (sacred mountains), the pleistoi (the best) comprised men from the elite dacian society, and the king was often their "pontifex maximus"; armed with falces and bows, well-armoured, and, as the legends say, bringing war-trained faulcons with them, they were small elite cavalry units, true zealots and followers of Zalmoxes. They were completely reliable and disciplined
in battle.
- I'd like to mention a quote from Flavius Josephus, refering to the eseni hebrew sect: "and those live (the eseni) in a way that doesn't differ by any means, but it's mainly aproaching the life-style of those dacians called pleistoi (the best)", in his book "Judaic Antiquities" (sp?), (XVIII, 1, 5);

Tarabostes: these cavalry contingents were provided by the tarabostes' families and comprised good warriors, the main volunteer force for the often pillage raids; armed with siccae (the most common dacian sword, not very long and curved), round shields, lances and bows, well-armoured, they formed the medium dacian cavalry, even though their numbers were not very large.

Comati Cavalry: recruited from among the free dacian tribal comunities; their equipment consisted from helm, leather armour, siccae, round shield, bow and horse; they were a very flexible fighting force, able to execute fast envelopment maneuvres on the battlefield. Also, they were used mainly in harrasment missions, as their numbers were small - few comati could afford keeping a horse. Brave and superstitious, they are completely reliable if the gods' signs are in their favour.

Sarmatian Cavalry: consisting from mercenary detachments of roxolans, iazygi, marcomans and alans, these light cavalry units comprise excelent bowmen and horsemen, used with harsh skirmishes and able to lay organised ambushes; their short spears and swords allow them to perform equally well in melee. A somewhat impetuous character makes them a bit unreliable.

Comati Infantry: the pedestrian equivalent of the Comati Cavalry, they have the same origins and weapons, and formed the backbone of the dacian army; tough and reliable, their tactics prefere the cover of the hoods, from where they lash out to confront death. Wielding the famous dracones (the dacian tribal flag, consisting from a wolf-headed dragon on top of a spear - when the dacians attacked, the wind blowing through the wolf's mouth seemed like the howl of a real wolf, instilling fear in the enemyes), the comati were rather disciplined when compared with other european tribal warriors.

Dacian Highlanders: living in the Carpathian mountains, these men were not usually summoned, mainly because of their independent spirit; they were mainly sheperds and hunters; when the war called upon them, the highlanders were used as shock troops; their weapons consist in falces or bludgeons, and a bow or javelins; also they wear leather armour. Their tactics favoured ambushes and sudden blows. Reckless and superstitious, they are indeed brave and loyal in harsh situations.

Also, the dacians used batering rams, catapults etc. Their fortresses, called dava, were more than impressive, and the fortified sistem located in Orastia mountains stands as proof ...


I really hope all those are going to appear in Rome Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Captain Fishpants]

Quote[/b] (Shorty @ June 21 2003,19:42)]
Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ June 20 2003,17:23)]Asterix
Obelix
Getafix
Vitalstatistix
Dogmatix
Cacofanix....
So many more...
ALESIA NEVER HAPPENED
And most importantly Getafix, whose potions give your troops superhuman strength:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~xylus/gauls/getaf1.gif
Eeeek Can you spell 'copyright'? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

MikeB ~ CA

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Quote[/b] (Captain Fishpants @ June 23 2003,08:01)]
Quote[/b] (Shorty @ June 21 2003,19:42)]
Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ June 20 2003,17:23)]Asterix
Obelix
Getafix
Vitalstatistix
Dogmatix
Cacofanix....
So many more...
ALESIA NEVER HAPPENED
And most importantly Getafix, whose potions give your troops superhuman strength:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~xylus/gauls/getaf1.gif
Eeeek Can you spell 'copyright'? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

MikeB ~ CA
Oh yeah...Goscinny and Uderzo would sue yo' arses to oblivion Woops

[Brutal DLX]

I'd be really surprised if a Dacian faction wouldn't be included into RTW

[Vlad Tzepes]

Salutare frate Pr Fire, salutare frate Vlad the Impaler, it’s nice to see there are some Romanians strongly advocating a Dacian faction in MTW.
I also go for it – I hope CA is researching a lot in this direction. As a matter of fact, Dacians were, for a long time, a real pain in the ass for the Romans. They even mingled in the Roman Civil Wars, backing (do I remember well?) Pompei. As we know, the winner was Caesar... Wasn’t it for the Dacian king, Decebal, to commit suicide after the Sarmisegetusa battle, maybe the history would have been different.
There is also a lot of military information about the Roman campaigns in Dacia. Conquering those territories was so important for the Romans that Traian ordered his architects to build one of the first bridges in history over Danube. After the battle Traian erected the famous column in Rome... a column that described a magnificent victory.
Definitely Dacians in RTW

[Vlad The Impaler]

Hello Tzepes , hello pr Fire ;
i read ur posts at the .com but i prefer the .org .U make some excellent post there and i started here a thread about dacians.i hope u'll post there to;

imi pare bine ca am cu cine sa sustin chestia cu dacii , scrieti-mi pe adresa din profil:)

About Ktisai there are a lot of dispared sources i'll search my books and i'll give u some tips http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Hakonarson]

The most significant Roman/Dacian interactions come after the period of RTW tho - the 80's and 100's AD.

IMO there's no justificatino for Dacians to be any more than a minor faction in the period - along with Illyria, Athens, Sparta, Numidia, Galatia, etc - much like Burgundians or Swiss in MTW.

[Galestrum]

i pretty much want every faction and every unti that has a good degree of historical significance. Whether they dominate or not, it adds to the game expereince, at least for me. Afterall, I think most ppl play this genre, in order to go back in time and playn "what if".

If CA reads this, i have a great book that i would suggest to them to use as a reference. It is called Greece and Rome At War by Peter Conolly, ISBN 1-85367-303-X, by Greenhill Books.

It is over 300 pages long, it has numerous, detailed, full color illustrations that are amazing, they detail formations, how they were used, etc. The different arms and armors wore by greeks, romans and their opponents. It also has siege engines and fortifications as well, and also breaks down the armies by time period. I have not come accross a better all purpose book in my library.

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[Ckrisz]

Numidian light cavalry, obviously.

Parthian horse archers.

Spanish heavy cavalry.

Libyan phalanx.

Can anyone tell that I'm a Hannibal fan? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[FesterShinetop]

Quote[/b] (Ckrisz @ June 25 2003,15:14)]Can anyone tell that I'm a Hannibal fan? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Me too "I love it when a plan comes together"

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[Hakonarson]

What have Parthian horse archers got to do with Hannibal?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (Vlad Tzepes @ June 24 2003,16:03)]Salutare frate Pr Fire, salutare frate Vlad the Impaler, it’s nice to see there are some Romanians strongly advocating a Dacian faction in MTW.
I also go for it – I hope CA is researching a lot in this direction. As a matter of fact, Dacians were, for a long time, a real pain in the ass for the Romans. They even mingled in the Roman Civil Wars, backing (do I remember well?) Pompei. As we know, the winner was Caesar... Wasn’t it for the Dacian king, Decebal, to commit suicide after the Sarmisegetusa battle, maybe the history would have been different.
There is also a lot of military information about the Roman campaigns in Dacia. Conquering those territories was so important for the Romans that Traian ordered his architects to build one of the first bridges in history over Danube. After the battle Traian erected the famous column in Rome... a column that described a magnificent victory.
Definitely Dacians in RTW
Salve. Acest post ii este adresat si lui Vlad the Impaler. Incercati sa parcurgeti acest material, bininteles, doar partea care se refera la daci, este destul de mult dezvoltata, veti gasi multe informatii, postate in .com atat de mine cat si de un prieten, Razvan, allias Skullghur, cu cateva luni in urma. Dezbaterea a fost aprinsa, dupa cum se poate vedea. Va astept opiniile, prin e-mail sau pm de preferinta, acesta este totusi un forum in care se foloseste limba engleza http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Factions in RTW thread here (http://pub133.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm7.showMessage?topicID=53.topic)

Sorry for posting in another language folks, this will not happen again. Btw, Dacia Semper Victor http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Vlad The Impaler]

pr Fire greetings
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Quote[/b] ]Question: where have you found references to ktisai and what were those people exactly?

They were exactly what u describe as Pleistoi's Kogaionon , warrior monks from the sacred mountain of dacians.the best references u'll find in in Mircea Eliade's History of Religion or in Culianu's writings the cover the subject of dacian's religion.
About ur unit tech tree i think is very accurate as long as an game could be historical accurate http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Nowake]

thx, i had my suspicions ...

[hrvojej]

Iberian heavy infantry - Iberian Celts were one of the most reliable parts of Carthaginian armies AFAIK.

[Nowake]

Iberian Heavy Cavalry was moe used by carthagians