whats the best PC non total war game?

[theadept]

i think Rise Of Nations

[theadept]

someone reply

[Derfel Cadarn]

Personally I like AoK the most, though it's tied with Stronghold.
Age of Empires 2: the Age of Kings (AoK) is just such an addictive game, and great for scenario designers Stronghold is another great game, especially if you like castle building (though sadly it's 2d so the castle designs are somewhat limited). Whenever I see an interesting castle, I rebuild it in Stronghold.

[Mechstra]

I'll leave strategy games alone for now, and concentrate on the more action-y games.

I personally love the No One Lives Forever series. Great first-person-shooters with a sense of humour, and the graphics in the second game are brilliant, with facial animation especially good. Also, what other game could feature weapons like the Banana, Mascara Stun Gun, Angry Kitty Proximity Mine, or the cigarette-lighter welder? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Another first-person shooter, Battlefield 1942, is one of my favourites. It's a great game (I play only in single-player, as my internet connection is crap), and it really conveys the feeling of war. I love being an infantryman; tanks are simply an encumbrance that can be taken down with a few well-placed grenades, bazooka rockets, anti-tank gun shells, explosive packs, or land mines.

IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles is the finest flight sim known to man. It's one of the few flight simulators that I actually enjoyed, and it's great fun to carry out aerobatics in a nimble fighter, before being a turret gunner on a Heinkel bomber.

[Vlad The Impaler]

Total Club Manager

i'm an Juventus fan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[MiniKiller]

Anyone like Empire Earth?

[Mechstra]

EE's okay, but it lacks a certain something.

[Mamushi]

Stronghold has my vote,love the attention to detail on the castle sieges,and the level of control they give you.

[MalibuMan]

Half-Life or The Secret Of Monkey Island

[FesterShinetop]

The Monkey Island series are great Can't wait for the next one and of course Sam & Max 2 which is due out next year
I agree with Mechstra on IL-2, I don't have Forgotten Battles (yet) but the original IL-2 is also a brilliant flight simulator. And if you want to give Flight Simulation a try it is a budget title so give it a try

In Action titles I really enjoyed NOLF2 and I loved Mafia, that is one hell of a game At the moment I am really into Rainbow Six: Raven Shield which is also a very good game (online AND offline). I also enjoyed Splinter Cell very much

Can't say one of these is the best though, all depends on the mood you're in, how much time you got on your hands etc... A good game for me is a game that sucks you up, a game that doesn't let you go until you've completed it

[Cobra]

Rise of Nations is good, Morrowind is good, AoK is good, but its wearing off after my 4 years of it, and M:TW and RoN are so much better, its lost its shine to me.
I like SimCity too.

[SirGrotius]

come on now, it's europa universalis II, by far. i'm looking forward to the release of crusader kings (tentatively) this september.

[_Martyr_]

Half life, ground control, AoM, Max Payne, Elite force... some of my non-TW favourites.

[Portuguese Rebel]

Europa Universalis II (although im still pissed at them for not making Portugal a default choice in the big campaing like it was in EU I), Age of empires series, X-com series, Master of orion I and 2, civilization series... there are so many to choose from and i can't pick one.

But the game i played the most since it was of my first games in my old AMD p-75 at 133MHZ (what a machine huh?) was Warcraft 2. I really loved those orcs...

[Dimeola]

For shooter type...the upcoming Doom 3...hopefully out July....best graphics anywhere.
Croaker

[Magraev]

Lots of golden oldies being mentioned (X-com series - I hope you mean 1,2, and 3 and not interceptor).

Freedom Force is a fun game (superheroes in the 60's fighting commies). Atm I play some championship manager 4 too (where they are working on the 4th patch now, and the game still has more bugs than even VI http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif ).

Morrowind and BG2 are best for rpg'ing.

[frogbeastegg]

The thief series (that's where I get my name from) is fantastic. First person sneakery with plenty of atmosphere. If the third one isn't outstanding I shall be very disapointed.

No one lives for ever is also an excellent series and a close second to thief IMO. It demonstrates how to do comedy properly, how to do a female character properly (note Cate is realistically proportioned, wearing clothes, doesn't whinge about lipstick, has a brain and still looks great. I've never seen anyone who doesn't like this character.) and how to do a story based first person shooter. The second adds to the mix with hints of RPG and stealth. I was rather upset to hear that Cate will not be the star of the expansion, I shall miss her one liners. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif For all those who can appreciate it Do you want to buy a monkey? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

To those who mentioned Monkey Island-very true of the first three games but the forth was horrible. It wasn't funny and it broke several of LucasArts rules which always made point 'n' clicks fun. Remember that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif swamp with the mixed up directions where you went back to the beginning if you got lost and had to keep watching that dull cutscene over and over? That's an example of the breaking of rule Do Not Irritate The Player By Making Them Repeat Dull Stuff If They Make A Slight Mistake. A tragic demise of a great series and a great type of game. For the record I also hated Grim Fandango and don't hold much hope for Sam and Max 2 even if the original was one of my favourites.

[some_totalwar_dude]

The age of empire series. D@mn I had a lot of fun with those games when I was a little 10 year old boy (ok I'm still little http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) It was my second strategy game and I can't think of an other game I enjoyed so much.

I also played diablo 2 to death http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ,and Morrowind, although not as much as diablo.

Cossacks is great to.

And let's not forget about homeworld, I'm realy looking forward to homeworld2.

Now I'm playin Morrowind again and I'm planing on finishing the game this time. I'll probably be busy with it until Rome and Homeworld 2 come out
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[el_slapper]

EU2, for reasons stated above. it has whatever MTW lacks - and MTW has everything EU2 lacks...

[Cazbol]

My favourite game of all times is Privateer 2: The Darkening. I hardly play it anymore but I do remember it fondly.

Otherwise....
Strategy: Alpha Centauri, Civ 2
Tactics: X-COM: UFO Defense, X-COM: Terror from the Deep, StarCraft
Shooters and similar: Counterstrike, Operation Flashpoint
RPG: Neverwinter Nights
Adventure: Grim Fandango
Other: IL-2 Sturmovik (prefer the original to Forgotten Battles)

[dlundie]

Im a bit old i guess but i really enjoyed Storm across Europe, but in modern terms Halflife because it just keeps getting better every mod. I also like Janes Fleet Command and M1 Tank Platoon2.

[Knight_Yellow]

Battlefield 1942 (the desert combat MOD for it)

Max payne

[Celtlan]

Ill say this right up front with no appologies.
I WONT pay full price for any game.

this said im behind a lot on the newer games.

Clasics which live on my computer include

Age of sail and any other Battleground games which ever one im more interested in at the time.

Half life mainly for TFC

Magic the Gathering (yeah yeah I know)
Lord of Midnight and Doomdarks Revenge
Specy emulator and as many of those games as I can find.
Colin McCray rally cant remember which version though. but its good

If you ask me so few of todays games are worthy of the price tag considering originality creatitivy and fun.
Just my 2 pence worth. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Drucius]

Top 10 best PC games, minus Total War (in no particular order).

Championship Manager series
Half-Life
Counterstrike
Medal Of Honour: Allied Assault
Civilization 2
Close Combat series
X-Com series
Transport Tycoon
Ultima series
Railroad Tycoon series

I expect I've left out loads.

[FesterShinetop]

Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ June 26 2003,08:47)]also hated Grim Fandango and don't hold much hope for Sam and Max 2 even if the original was one of my favourites.
Aaargh, how can you say that Grim Fandango is absolutely brilliant I agree that Monkey 4 is the worst in the series yet, still pretty fun though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I also played a lot of Jimmy White's whirlwind snooker on my Amiga and a LOT of Grand Prix 2 (even 100% races... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif ), Grand Prix 3 is very high on my worst games ever list and the reason I didn't buy part 4.

[Mechstra]

Quote[/b] ]The thief series (that's where I get my name from) is fantastic. First person sneakery with plenty of atmosphere. If the third one isn't outstanding I shall be very disapointed.

I forgot the Thief games They really are brilliant. I bought the original when it came out, and although I never bought the second (not enough cash), I have high hopes for the new Thief. A whole city, every building enterable, functioning neighbourhoods, and a main storyline GTA in pseudo-medieval times can only be amazing.


Quote[/b] ]No one lives for ever is also an excellent series and a close second to thief IMO. It demonstrates how to do comedy properly, how to do a female character properly (note Cate is realistically proportioned, wearing clothes, doesn't whinge about lipstick, has a brain and still looks great. I've never seen anyone who doesn't like this character.) and how to do a story based first person shooter. The second adds to the mix with hints of RPG and stealth. I was rather upset to hear that Cate will not be the star of the expansion, I shall miss her one liners. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif For all those who can appreciate it Do you want to buy a monkey? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

I don't want your stinking monkey
Infidel.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif It's great. Also, the HARM goons are hilarious.

Oh, I've missed you so much. I'm passionately in love with you... Come closer so that I can whisper sweet words of love into your ear...
*door opens*
Um... What's this goat doing in here?


Quote[/b] ]To those who mentioned Monkey Island-very true of the first three games but the forth was horrible. It wasn't funny and it broke several of LucasArts rules which always made point 'n' clicks fun. Remember that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif swamp with the mixed up directions where you went back to the beginning if you got lost and had to keep watching that dull cutscene over and over? That's an example of the breaking of rule Do Not Irritate The Player By Making Them Repeat Dull Stuff If They Make A Slight Mistake. A tragic demise of a great series and a great type of game. For the record I also hated Grim Fandango and don't hold much hope for Sam and Max 2 even if the original was one of my favourites.

Actually, I enjoyed the fourth installment. Not as much as the earlier games, but it was a decent adventure game, one of a dying breed. Grim Fandango is the game that I regard as the pinnacle of Lucasarts' greatness. Its dry humour, and Glottis the demon driver just make it a joy to play. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Year 2 (Rubacava) is the best-thought-out puzzle sequence ever.

Ah, my bread and butter. Thrill-seeking rich folks with a poor grasp of statistics and probability.

[alman9898]

BF1942, DC Mod
AoE2

[frogbeastegg]

I guess I should have explained better why I didn't like monkey 4 and grim fandango. I was a massive point 'n' click fan back in the day but when they went 3d the genre died. The controls for all the LucasArts games went from simplicity to a horribly inaccurate 3d movement system. I found that I was running around the items I was trying to pick up. It was also hard to tell where a 'hot spot' was because you couldn't search the screen with the cursor looking for the text pop ups.

I didn't like the 3d graphics as much as they felt much less 'hand drawn' than the 2d games. They still looked good but the charm was missing. Monkey 3 had the best 'look' out of all the LucasArts classics closely followed by day of the tentacle and Sam and Max.

They also broke their own rules about not annoying the player by forcing them to watch cutscenes over and over if they made a mistake. They made you back track on occasions to collect more of an item if you failed enough times, for some reason I can remember chasing pretzels in grim fandango for several days, I can't remember why I needed them though. LucasArts did actually have a set of written rules of what not to do in their point 'n' clicks, these rules made them better than the competition who insisted on killing players and other daft things.

Which brings me to another thing I found disapointing - so much of what you were doing was forgettable. I can still remember what happened in the first 3 monkey islands, the dig, sam and max, day of the tentacle and many others. I can only remember a handful of moments from monkey and grim.

The worst thing was that they were no longer funny. I could have lived with all the crap I hated if they were funny. The 2d ones had me laughing so much I felt sick but grim fandango didn't raise so much as a smile and monkey 4 was so pathetic I couldn't believe it was from the same series as the first three. Now a days if I want funny I play No One Lives Forever.

The 3d revolution killed the genre. point 'n' clicks were turned into adventure games just to keep up with the quakes of the gaming world. After all 2d is crap right? It's so last decade.

I hope this doesn't sound like too much of a rant but I have years of frustration pent up. I have seen these games getting awards, good reviews and being called better than the older games when to me this is just not the case. I respect the fact that other people like the new genre but why did they have to kill off the 2d games to create it? I guess it's like turn based games - they have been mostly killed off by RTS, although the genre is clinging on (Age of Wonders 1+2 are a good example)

On topic - System shock 2 should be on the list. I played that when it first came out and it still gives me nightmares. Imagine the scene.....

frogbeastegg sneaks through the corridors of medical clutching a wrench when she hears
hybrid-we remain
frog-eeeekkkkk
hybrid-run please run
frog-AAAAhhhhhhhhh
hybrid- Your flesh betrays you
frog then gets her head bashed in while gibbering and swinging the wrench in random directions.

Or the midwives and their friendly I'll rip out your spine spoken in a dull monologue sounding so bored as they shoot lasers at you. Even worse is when they say meat is good for the young ones, the meat being your dead body and the young ones being the alien freaks that created the part woman, part machine monstrosity. Of course you can't talk shock without mentioning shodan and her look at you insect speeches. She really scares me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Oh, and I mustn't forget the monkeys, God they are scary. And the protocol droids where are you, I can't help you if I can't find you sir. When they find you they batter you to death while wishing you a nice day...

System shock 2 is the only game that has ever scared me. I can find no higher praise of its atmosphere than that. I introduced a friend to it and he's so scared he can't get passed the door with the ghost in MedSci http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Mechstra]

If I recall, the pretzels were in Monkey 4, not Grim Fandango.

System Shock 2 Now there's a game to send shivers down your spine. I played the demo, and it is very scary. The fact that you can hear the hybrids before you see them, groaning and calling for you, while the only weapon you have is a puny crowbar or pistol, really puts the fear of God into a man. And your first glimpse of a hybrid is when a crew member runs past, screaming, on the other side of an unbreakable window, and the hybrid stomps after her, stops, and pumps shotgun shells into the woman when she's out of sight. Later, you come across the woman with the hybrid bent over her, menacingly. Ooh, I need to play that game again.

[Portuguese Rebel]

Quote[/b] ]Lots of golden oldies being mentioned (X-com series - I hope you mean 1,2, and 3 and not interceptor).


Interceptor? Major suckage... I don't even consider that worthy of the X-com designation. Neither that enforcer crap...

For the record:

X-com UFO enemy unknown
X-com Terror from the deep
X-com Apocalypse

[Satyr]

Warcraft 2
Age of Empires 2 - Age of Kings
Starcraft

Wolfenstein 3D - got my first case of DIMS (Doom induced motion sickness) playing this game. Set a whole new level for gameplay.

But nothing ever seems reasonable to play since I started playing MTW. I am ruined for life. I only wish that when I was playing AOK and complained about the lack of tactics and someone told me to buy Shogun, that I didn't. I recently bought it actually and I intend to turn Japanese at some point soon. After I am tired of playing Vikings.

[Longasc]

I like:

Ultima Online (quitted playing it however some month ago...)
Civilization III
Close Combat Series (except Part V)

and then most First Person Shooters in general. Vietcong was quite nice And there are lots of worthwile shooters out there.

I am fed up with Realtime Strategy, do no longer care much even for Warcraft/Starcraft.

Neverwinter Nights/Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale,

I love those RPG's. Did you know that the famous Fallout 1-2 did not sell too good actually?

Still hope that Black Isle will do a Fallout 3.

My oldie favorites:
All X-COM games
Panzer General, the older ones. Not the last 3D-model games that were released to shame the series. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Sasaki Kojiro]

EU2
Thief
Gettysburg
Myst series

[Hakonarson]

Combat Mission - heavy emphasis on accurate history combined with excellent gameplay and a ground-breaking 3-D graphics for the historical gaming genre (at the time) - many other games have had breakthoughs in 1 or 2 areas of design or game play or accuracey, but IMO none has managed as many as CM.

[Mount Suribachi]

Champ Manager
Baldurs gate 1/2
Planescape: Torment - best RPG ever.
Alpha Centauri

As for System Shock 2...I played the demo and the first time I came across those zombie things I almost died of fright and uninstalled the game there and then...I tried re-installing it since, but it doesn't like my gfx card. Maybe thats for the best http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Raider_Rob]

Championship Manager series and AoK:TC have been my favourites the past years.I kinda have burnt out on those games though I still play occasionally.

[Mechstra]

I still use AoK:TC for designing and playing scenarios. In my opinion, it massively extends the lifetime of the game. Try visiting Age of Kings Heaven (http://aok.heavengames.com)'s Blacksmith section for some very good user-created campaigns and scenarios. I recommend Ulio by Ingo van Thiel.

[Derfel Cadarn]

And if you're interested in AoK or Stronghold (or Age of Mythology, or Empire Earth, or Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds); there is Woad Creations (http://www.woadcreations.nl), a scenario design team (which, incidentally, I lead). We're a group of some 20+ people who design quality scenarios, that can be downloaded off our site. We also have a nice forum community, though not as impressive as that of the Org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Mechstra]

I'd feel guilty if I didn't put in that I'm second-in-command of that team and that I bullied Derfel into posting that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Longasc]

Just tried GTA: Vice City and liked it a lot, too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Gaius Julius]

These are some of the non-TW games, I like:
* they're in no particular order.

GTA 3
F1/99, 2000, etc.
Dungeon Seige
Fifa/99, 2000, etc.
Max Payne
AoE- resource mangm't, is really beginning to bug me.
Civ. games
Ghost Recon

[BryanBoru]

I like AoMythology, Stronghold, Close Combat and Gettyburg..


Can anyone tell me about AMERICAN CONQUEST?????

Thanks
Bryans

[frogbeastegg]

American conquest is quite good. If you liked cossacks (the first in the series)you will like this. Basically it follows the age of empire model but X10. You get resources by the thousands, troops by the hundred etc. You also use resources better eg coal and iron are needed for gunpowder units to fire so if you run out you're in trouble. Units often have both ranged and melee attacks. It's reasonably historically accurate (I think, I'm not American) and the graphics are nicely detailed. It has both campaign and skirmish modes to mess around in. Troop control is very good, you place individual soldiers into formations which you then order around. If you like details AC has plenty eg standard bearers, officers, cannon crews etc. You can play as both the native and the Europeans but the natives are a bit crap and there are only a few European civs. Unfortunately the ships are pretty crap as well (canoes beat big battleships? ), navel combat was one of the things cossacks did really well.

It's fun but not a patch on Total War. There's a demo around somewhere but it's a poor demo IMO, the actual game is much better.

[Bushido]

Best non-total war game? That's easy.

Ground Control
I was ranked #1 at one point of it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I still play it time to time although the current players do nothing but generate flame wars http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
There's a sequel coming up and it looks _gorgeus_ Go to Gamespot and check the screenshots. Fantastic is measly word to describe them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Combat Mission 2 is also fine game with deep tactical uses.
Myth 1 and 2 - the games which led the way
Homeworld, ground breaking but slightly boring RTS games.

Some of these games are on my hd (when space permits) but most of the time it's just one or two games. I hate it when hd goes kzzzz... boom

[theadept]

RON

[Nikodil]

Since i got MTW, i no longer have the time to play petty computer games...

[JohnCee]

I find that really good games tend to eat my time so recently its been
Half Life
Thief 1 and 2
Final Fantasy 6, 7, 8 and 9
Age of Empires: Age of Kings

[bighairyman]

age of empires seris
EU and EU2

lords of the realm 2

rise of nations

celtic kings

and stronghold crusaders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[YannosX]

Jagged Alliance 2
Planescape Torment
Divine Divinity
AoK
Deus Ex
etc http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Mamushi]

Wow,I totally forgot Gettysburg I have played both sides in that to I do not remember how many conclusions of the war. Excellent game. Could teach alot of other designers about properly using unit morale in strategy sims.

[plzhelp]

This game is not out now but it's going to give every other MMORPG a run for its money. http://www.guildwars.com Enjoy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[|OCS|Virus]

summoner 1 and summoner 2 pwn. they are great games.

[Joejoe84]

-The Civ series except Civ 3 (piece of crap)
-Battleground Antietam (if anyone knows where i can find the other games of the series plz tell me)
-WarCraft II
-AoE 1/2
-Half Life and mods
-MoHAA

Usually i loved the Civ series, Civ 1/2, Alpha Centauri, Call to power, yet when i ran home from the store with Civ 3 giddy with anticipation as i booted it up and started playing and as soon as i saw that a. there was no world map and 2 a spearmen take out a tank i stopped playing, oh so disapointing. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[hrvojej]

Based on the time spent playing:
EU2
Morrowind
HoMM 2 & 3

[Portuguese Rebel]

has anyone tried Galactic civilizations? It is really good for everyone that enjoyed Master of orion series

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (bigbry @ June 28 2003,15:59)]I like AoMythology, Stronghold, Close Combat and Gettyburg..


Can anyone tell me about AMERICAN CONQUEST?????

Thanks
Bryans
American Conquest sucks if you ask me.

A big waste of money.

No real improvement on Cossaks, in fact i enjoyed cossaks more. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

and with indains able to build warriors at a huge rate and use peasants to fight it just turns into a big mall in the middle with no tactics. Hated it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

[GilJaysmith]

Tennis Critters :)

[FesterShinetop]

Quote[/b] (GilJaysmith @ July 09 2003,00:05)]Tennis Critters http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The next hit by the Creative Assembly?

People here playing America's Army? It's a nice and free game (online only) and it will be getting a major update later this month

[JohnCee]

Quote[/b] (GilJaysmith @ July 08 2003,18:05)]Tennis Critters http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Is that related to the film Critters?

Because I'd pay to see that, especially if we could feed Sir Cliff to 'em before the match http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[TosaInu]

-Unreal Tournament (the original one) and its free Infiltration total conversions.
-Soldier of Fortune 2 online.
-Hidden and Dangerous (2 may be released q4 2003).
-Alpha Centauri by Sid Meier.

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Brother Derfel @ July 08 2003,14:39)]
Quote[/b] (bigbry @ June 28 2003,15:59)]I like AoMythology, Stronghold, Close Combat and Gettyburg..


Can anyone tell me about AMERICAN CONQUEST?????

Thanks
Bryans
American Conquest sucks if you ask me.

A big waste of money.

No real improvement on Cossaks, in fact i enjoyed cossaks more. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

and with indains able to build warriors at a huge rate and use peasants to fight it just turns into a big mall in the middle with no tactics. d it : :
I tend to disagree, I think AC is a great game (or at least could have been) but CDV just doesn't seem to have any interest in patching it at all. But the game itself is beautiful.....

here's a link if you're interested: American Conquest (http://www.americanconquest.com/english)

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Well, EU2.

And that's all...

BTW, if the campaign is not at least as interesting as EU2, I am very likely to limit myself to MP battle in RTW.

By interesting I mean;
- real diplomatic engine
- to be in a province does not mean having it (well, might be ok in RTW, but ridiculous in MTW)
- neat historic events (right now, who cares?)
- more generic army, and less of a complete patchwork of whatever is available.

Louis the Simurgh,

Edit; and if it is for MP only, MP mode better be good and bugless.

[Knight Keimo]

Europa Universalis 2

EU2 and MTW are only games I have at this moment. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
And that´s enough..

[SeveredSoul]

Half-life (the Counterstrike mod) and I going to go and buy the new Star Wars Galaxies game on Monday. Can't wait to try it.

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (SeveredSoul @ July 10 2003,14:53)]Half-life and I are going to go and buy the new Star Wars Galaxies game on Monday. Can't wait to try it.
heh, the way you wrote that....

you and your halflife are going to go buy star wars galaxies..... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Biggus Dickus]

wow the crack pipe is really bubbling in this thread http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif .....two words....UNCOMMON VALORthat game is as good as it gets it's a complete friggin chess match especially when you are pbeming...detail out the wazoo
http://gamesdomain.com/gdrevie.....combat (http://gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/jul02/valor.html...combat) mission is great too...christ there has been a ton released in the last year or so airborne assault great game the hps' campaign corinth, ozark campign,kursk, sicily...well be back later to toss in more pennies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[theadept]

AoE
AoE:RoR
AoE2:AoK
AoE2:TC
AoM
Black & White
RoN