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I really love a couple of the new units for the campaign - Avar Nobles and Viking Huscarles. The Avar nobles have almost the exact same stats as Mongol Heavy cavalry, while Viking Huscarles are pretty close the late Varangian Guard. Both are great Early Era units that really remain effective much of the game. They've forced me to change my strategy. When playing the Byzants, one of my first moves now is to take Moldavia to get the Nobles, while with the English or HRE I'll really try to get to Sweden/Norway/Denmark. Anybody else like these guys?
Grifman
i like the huscarles early to high times in the game as not many calvary is effective against them till late period
Thing is, if you build them in Sweden you can tech them up with iron and they'll do quite well even in the Late Era.
Grifman
Yeah, the huscarles are nice. You won't get them teched up too much though since they become obsolete by 1205.
Personally I like the Byzantine Lancers. Before you had to wait for pronoi to get decent cavalry as the byzantines, and it took a while to get the necessary buildings, now you have a fine medium cavalry available quickly.
A.Saturnus
06-30-2003, 14:02
Avar Nobles are great. Much like early chivalric knights. And cheap too. To bad they are only available early.
Leet Eriksson
06-30-2003, 14:47
I still can't find any Khazar royal cavalry,i modded them and tried them,i thought they were awesome but the enemies chivalrics ate them for dinner with few losses http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
lancer63
07-01-2003, 23:17
Is there a list of the new units in the Medieval campaing?
Do the Sicilians have any special unit?
lancer63
07-01-2003, 23:59
Quote[/b] (lancer63 @ July 01 2003,17:17)]Is there a list of the new units in the Medieval campaing?
Do the Sicilians have any special unit?
Just found what I was looking for, thanks anyway.
ShadesPanther
07-02-2003, 00:11
Ive got the Khazar royal cavalry modded to play but i havent tried them yet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif Ive Tried the Steppe Heavy cav and they are good. Nice Horse archer Hybrid with the same attack as Faris and Szekely but weaker charge but better defence so i would say Steppe heavy cav are better and they are available to all
Ace of Shades
07-02-2003, 00:59
Yeah I like the Steppe Heavy Cav too very good unit to use to mix it up in the east, give me something extra to slow down the golden horde. Also I really like the Szekely for skirmishing.
Still waiting to try and get a chance to bribe and use Sherwood Foresters though
ShadesPanther
07-02-2003, 01:59
Russia can actually stop the GH now with The Rus Spearmen who have a better defense than Armoured spear
Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ July 02 2003,04:59)]Russia can actually stop the GH now with The Rus Spearmen who have a better defense than Armoured spear
Russia doesn't have Rus spearmen when mongols came. They are available only to Novgorod in early era so you have to mod the game a little.
But I agree Rus spearmen are good.
ShadesPanther
07-02-2003, 15:52
Yes they are nice. I dunno if i modded them for the new med mod or not.
Druzhina cav are very nice tin openers as well as they tear through the GH heavy cav.
Foreign Devil
07-02-2003, 21:42
Druzhina Cavalry rock Not only can they be dismounted to fight as Feudal Foot knights, they have 60 men per unit. These guys plus Rus Spearmen and Heavy Steppe Cavalry make for a very enjoyable Russian campaign.
Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ July 02 2003,09:52)]Yes they are nice. I dunno if i modded them for the new med mod or not.
Druzhina cav are very nice tin openers as well as they tear through the GH heavy cav.
Huh, how can that be? Look at the stats:
GH HC, charge 6, attack 3, defense 6, armor 7, morale 6
DZ, charge 4, attack 1, defense 2, armor 3, morale 2
I don't see any way DZ beat GH HC even outnumbering them 60 to 40.
Grifman
ShadesPanther
07-03-2003, 11:46
they arre armour piercing so hold them with spears and then slam into their rear or flank and they will be annaliated. works to if you hit them from the front sometimes
Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ July 03 2003,05:46)]they arre armour piercing so hold them with spears and then slam into their rear or flank and they will be annaliated. works to if you hit them from the front sometimes
Well, double duh here Geez, alot of units can tear up another unit if they attack from the flank or rear while it's being held at the front by spears Geez, you were talking like DZ cav would tear up GH HC in a fair fight.
Grifman
Leet Eriksson
07-04-2003, 00:49
the Druzhina are much like mamelukes(a bit inferior in stats though,but they come at 60 per unit)head on against the golden horde heavies they would cuase a fair amount of damaged before getting wiped out becuase they gain an AP bonus against armoured units,still it would be advisable to use flanking tactics to avoid casualties.
ShadesPanther
07-04-2003, 11:57
what i meant was that alot of your men will die if they go head on but will take alot with them. Just suggested best way was to flank.
faisal pretty much knew what i was saying http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Sorry, but "tear through" to me doesn't mean "they kill alot but get wiped out in the end"
Grifman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
They could if they have AP weapon and fight against highly amoured troop. This is based on the info I got from a dicussion on the diffenrence between armour and defend value. I use this info to compare units (mainly att vs def) before I fight a battle:
If both have 0 valour.
Without AP weapon bonus:
GH HC, charge 6, attack 3, defense 6, armor 7, morale 6
DZ, charge 4, attack 1, defense 2, armor 3, morale 2
With AP weapon bonus: AP weapon get attack bonus equal to half of the target armour level. So:
GH HC, charge 6, attack 3, defense 6, armor 7, morale 6
DZ, charge 4, attack 4.5, defense 2, armor 3, morale 2
But still, the GH HC are better (3 att vs 2 def) and (6 def vs 4.5 att), 1 att and 1.5 def better than DZ
With +2 valour and +20 men, DZ can beat V0 GH HC. With more than 2 valour, DZ win.
ShadesPanther
07-05-2003, 12:07
Well usually the Russain kings have quite high command and that puts up their valour and as the command increases their valour goes up so really when i fight the heavy cav they tear through them
bighairyman
07-07-2003, 20:06
can someon ehelp me. i can't seem to get khzar royal cavalry and avar noble.
can u tell me what age are they in and what faction are they? thanks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ShadesPanther
07-07-2003, 20:47
well Khazar are rebel so if you want them you need to bribe them or mod it(simply take out the FN_Rebel
also Avar Nobles can only be built in Moldavia in early. so replace EARLY with ALL_PERIODS and you can play them anytime
Knight Keimo
07-07-2003, 21:12
Yup, all those new cavalry units like Avars, Zsekely, Steppe Heavy.. They´r so nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hungarians really get a great advantage becouse of them, it´s just shame that AI doesn´t sems to use them a lot.
I´v never saw AI using the Avars http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif It would be a fun to meet them at battlefield.. Or then not
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