High honour

[Sir Chauncy]

Well being brand new here I just thought that I would start off by asking a stupid question:
I have seen screenshots in magazines of units with honour 7, even 8 or 9. But I have only even been able to get a unit up to level 6, and that is only with a rather tasty Rank 6 general. Is this because the screenshots are from the custom battle and you can choose what honour to give your troops or am I just going the wrong way about things here?
Ah, I think I should add that I didn't really count my Daimyo or Kensai as a unit because they just rocket up the honour level don't they?

[Moriboy]

I don't really play MP, but I've only gotten a unit up to honor 8 before, and that only once.

[Zone]

I have had honour 10 Kensi (Honour 6 general boosting an honour 7 Kensi)

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Fight first, then scream 'Doh, why did I forget my Kensi!'

[Sjakihata]

Thought honour was max.

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"-Know your self, know your enemy and your victory will be painless.
-Know the weather, know the terrain and your victory will be complete."
-Sun Tzu(Wu), The Art of War.

[Sjakihata]

Thought honour 9 was max.

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"-Know your self, know your enemy and your victory will be painless.
-Know the weather, know the terrain and your victory will be complete."
-Sun Tzu(Wu), The Art of War.

[Sir Chauncy]

Hello again, i have to say that the only person I have ever seen with honour 10 was my daimyo and that was after he had killed about 5000 people all on his own after his bodygaurd got cut up. My main point was that because of the binary nature of the way a generals ranking was worked out I thought that honour was worked out in the same way. But it doesn't seem to be true. Looking over past posts there is one chap whos entire army is at honour 7 or 8 and they all have full men. This was on the strategic map so they had to have done something funny.

[Zacharat Hennataga]

how did you dymiyo manage to kill 5000 people!?

[BSM_Skkzarg]

His Diamyo trained under Vlad the Impaler - he only got a fraction of what Vlad did...
LOL
Qapla!

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BSM_Skkzarg
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."

[JAG]

LOL. . i don't think he being literal!

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Oh my God. . . . . Just lay me Down!


WarlordWarrior

[Zone]

I've had an entire army of 10 units honour 8, 9 and 10. They were all Kensi. It was an unbeatable army for castle and river battles

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Fight first, then scream 'Doh, why did I forget my Kensi!'

[Sir Chauncy]

You are right, Over the course of the whole canpaign he would never have killed 5000 people, I was joking. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
I was just that he got charged by warrior monks and they killed all of his bodyguard without loss and then the only man left for the task was him, at honour 10 fighting for his life, personally I would have bricked it and run but he just stood there not even dropping from Impetuous morale and killed 100 warrior monks all on his own. As soon as they ran up, they dropped dead. Kinda cool.
Back to the subject though, I understand that you can get individuals up to high levels of honour because they are usually quite hard and kill lots without dying, but whole units of 120 people? How is this possible, do people cheat pr are they just really really good?

[Papewaio]

To get units of really high honour use them with a high rank general and pick on ashi. A kills a kill as far as I know. Also do lots of castle attacks. It seems to me that a unit that kills the enemy taisho has a higher then normal chance of getting an honour bonus.

BTW is it strickly a kill = 1 kill or is it

honour value of kill = honour of oppenent (half that for ashi). Because I note that when you kill a high rank general the unit that does the deed tends to get a rank of honour (even if they didn't seem to kill most of the enemy unit).

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Victory first, Battle last.

[Zone]

It must be true that killing the taisho (if high honour) gives a large honour boost. I had an H1 Kensi. He got 22 kills in a battle, the last of which was their H6 Diaymo and at the end he had H7!

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Fight first, then scream 'Doh, why did I forget my Kensi!'

[Papewaio]

Hmmm... Maybe it uses Highlander idea... get all the kills of your opponent when you chop off his head.

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Victory first, Battle last.

[Papewaio]

First time I've used the logreader and looked at the log files.

It has a column for honour and a column for kills in THAT battle.

I think it does use the binary method for honour. EXCEPT you need to get that number of kills in a single battle.

Something like
Honour # of Kills in one battle
1 1
2 2
3 4
4 8
5 16
6 32

Also it notes who is the Daimyo, General (in columns) and if it is a castle battle.

I have noticed that the first unit into a castle sometimes gets a point of honour (maybe from the amount of bodies they had to chop to get in).

Also when the enemy Taisho dies a units honour tends to go up.

I think these events add either +1 honour to each warrior in the unit or the individual who performed it regardless of the number of kills they have achieved in the battle.

This would also explain Zone's very high honour castle storming Kensai as the first one into a castle is getting +1 to his honour.

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Victory first, Battle last.

[Papewaio]

Downloaded logviewer yesterday and then used notepad to look at the log files for better granularity.

Played Shimazu at Expert. Followed an Ashi unit through 4 battles. Most of them followed a progression which seemed to follow the binary flow of honour ranks ie Rank 2 in one battle by killing 3 enemy soldiers was typical.

But in one castle battle a ashi went from rank 0 to rank 4.

What I noted was that an enemy honour rank 4 died in that battle.

So my theory is that to go up a rank you need to kill 2^(new rank -1) rank 0 enemy warriors.
Also killing a higher rank warrior is worth
2^(enemies rank) of rank 0 enemies
ie
1 Rank 1 kill = 2 Rank 0 kills
1 Rank 2 kill = 4 Rank 0 kills
1 Rank 3 kill = 8 Rank 0 kills
1 Rank 4 kill = 16 Rank 0 kills

So if you kill a warrior of equal rank you will progress 1 rank exactly.

Also if you kill a higher rank warrior you will progress upto his rank.

Third I noted that units that slaughtered routing units did not seem to get honour as much as this would indicate. In fact the routing units may be worth only half kills or nothing at all.

Archers also showed a different progression. I think if they miss their target and hit someone else for a kill it doesn't give them an honour gain or they have a harder progression. Really havn't studied the logfiles enough yet to determine this.

So my question is this (Mongols/Calvary lovers out there);
Have you seen the honour of your units go up when attacking fleeing units as fast as when you wipe out a unit head on?

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Victory first, Battle last.