Newbys! Annoying or the Future

[swifticus]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif As a mature person I enjoy MTW/VI it's Fun, after a hard day at work it is a fantastic stress relief to meet people who enjoy a similar persuit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

HOWEVER http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif on multiplayer I have experienced Abuse for not knowing the right troops to pick, how to deploy

I really appreciate the fantastic people who have been helpful, they help newbys such as ME to keep returning.

All new players to any game can only learn if we are tolerant to each other, explain tactics , tips , doesn't it make a better game if all can play....RANT...RANT


Are tactics and trootype a national secret I think Not

Help the newbys they r the future...

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[Shahed]

Fine with me dude http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[KukriKhan]

Good points swifticus. In the first game (Shogun: Total War), we separated 'comp' (competitive) games and 'friendlies'...and it was understood that most new players would play friendlies to learn.

In two years, I think I might have played 5-6 comps, and 100's of friendlies, because I personally liked the difference in player attitudes.

I respected the comp players - most of them were extremely skilled guys. I just liked the more laid-back playing style of friendlies.

[Matt Deckard]

I dislike people who dislike newbs. On other forums other than totalwar.org (e.g. gamefaqs.com) instead of just answereing the simple question, they waste more time flaming

[Shahed]

Mind if i just stick my head in and say: Agreed

[Mechstra]

We're all newbies once. Only a few of us are actually 'n00bs' at first (people who think they know everything from the off, use h4x0r speak or similar, and insult the old-hands that are trying to help them).

Thankfully, I haven't seen any of them at the Org yet.

[Brother Derfel]

I experienced the exact same thing when i was first starting out at MP. To begin with it put me off Mp for a long time, but I eventualy percerveired.

My advice is to ignore those that choose to attack Newbies and just press on regardless till your good enough to trounce them all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Kongamato]

Ok. As a newbie in MTW, know that people get mad because it takes like 45 minutes sometimes to get into a game, and when people finally do get into a game, they will not enjoy losing because they had a newbie on their team who routed quickly. That can be very frustrating to some because this is not a game like an FPS where a game lasts for 5 minutes and you can get into a game whenever you want. That is why many choose to berate newbies. Some newbies make me mad too.

I'll try to help by locating some information for you. Hopefully, this will speed up your learning process. Also, some veterans have opened up a training thread at the totalwars.net forum. This is by far your best opportunity to learn the MP game. Put a post in there and you will be able to set up some e-face-to-face http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif training with skilled players. They'll teach you tactics, drilling, and army composition. For people with lives this option is probably the most convenient.

Other options:
If you want to watch some veterans in action, download the Clan War Belt replays.
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWrecords/
The above list features a bunch of clan vs. clan games. Here you'll see how experienced players win and lose.

To learn the basics of marching and control, go to Shogun Academy. This will teach you how to stay organized in battle. The tips are for STW, but the control techniques are basically the same.
http://shogun-academy.tripod.com/

That's about all I'll say for now. You sound to me like somebody who does not have the time to do 16 hours of detailed research and practice on a computer game. Best thing to do is ask for the training at the totalwars.net forum. I'll link it for you.
here (http://www.totalwars.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126&sid=d2859dff4779041cf178e03b2f6cc7c9)

[Raider_Rob]

Well I dislike the term newbies for new online players. A newbie is someone that entirely knows nothing. I mean absolutely nothing. Did not read the manual, will not know hotkeys, formations or unit stances and will just leave his army wandering about a bit looking at how nice his archers can march in 10X10 squares instead of spacing them out 2-3 deep. Most annoying are the newbies that think they know it all and you can only have won them by cheating them. An extremely small group but a highly annoying one.

A rookie (well that would be me for this game) will know the really basic stuff. What counters what, hotkeys, formations, height advantage etcetera. They miss the tactical flair and they are often slow to react as they still need to think about what to do instead of being it a reflex. This will probably mean something like the death of your archers to cavalry as you didn't move your spears in front in time.

The best way for new online players to learn is to practice and ask tips. If you know someone that is pretty good ask them for tips, or ask the people that beat you. Plenty of them will help you. If you can't find anyone to help you might think about joining a clan as lots of clans have training programs for new members and you will have a lot of people online to play with. Just make sure you end up in a clan you like so you don't have to leave after a few weeks.

Well this is just my general experience in the last 3 years of playing online.

[ichi]

Great post Swift:


To me, it all goes back to the Chivalric Code (or Bushido, if you prefer STW). Fight your best, with honor, and help those less fortunate.

Players with less experience do get treated poorly by some folks, and that is a shame. So to answer your question: they are the future. This treatment is the result of arrogance on the part of some players.

What is funny are the few new players who come online with 'bad attitudes', cussin and tauntin and refusing to learn the 'rules'. It can be frustratin to watch a guy rush his 11 valorless units into two armies on a hill, then get p$$ed at you cause you did not support them. Then drop, causing the game to crash.

There are many great players who play with newer folks, helpin em out.

If you are new, and see me in the foyer, ask me for a game.

If you are one of the really good players and see me screw up, help me to learn, don't abuse me.

ichi

[Mount Suribachi]

One of the (many) reasons I don't do MP, in any game, is that there are too many faceless idiots (n00bs & vets) online. My few online experiences (and countless tales by those who live online) have put me right off.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Samurai-ninja_fusion_of_doom @ July 04 2003,20:06)]I dislike people who dislike newbs. On other forums other than totalwar.org (e.g. gamefaqs.com) instead of just answereing the simple question, they waste more time flaming
I agree 100% with you there mate... newbie bashing and rush games and stuff totally ruins online play (its what makes Warcraft 3 so bad to play online)

But I did get bored of playing MTW online because it was all Arb Duels and playing on the Steppe maps, I'm sorry but thats far too boring for my taste.

A MP campaign, now THAT would be fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Lord Of Storms]

Quote[/b] (Samurai-ninja_fusion_of_doom @ July 04 2003,14:06)]I dislike people who dislike newbs. On other forums other than totalwar.org (e.g. gamefaqs.com) instead of just answereing the simple question, they waste more time flaming
This applies in alot of areas, People should not be criticized for not knowing as much as someone who is well established, the way I see it you can either help or just leave it alone , those that go out of there way to flame and criticize are doing so out of ignorance and over inflated egos. We should all try and help anyone who is trying to learn http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Tempiic]

If someone is new, but willing to learn and has the right attitude for that, then he will have little problems... Though it is advisable to tell before the game started (when you are waiting for others to join), that you are quite new to this and inexperienced.... talk about it rather than doing nothing..... the more experienced players often just assume that everyone in the game knows enough about the game....

Frankly I got tired myself repeating some basic stuff at start of games to people i never saw before.... the stfu noob reply is classic... the in game results are annoying...

I am patient with new players (had enough games delayed by 40 mins just spend on explaining, which turned out to be enjoyable games), long as they tell me they are inexperienced.... and want to improve. To be honest I have better things to do to attempt to show the basics to everyone new.... I always think it is better to show more than the basics to those willing and have asked for it for they will appreciate the effort.

[Lodro Dorje]

As someone very new to gaming I have to say how helpful people have been when ever I have asked questions on this and other forums. It is often very frustrating to be stuck on something simple and help from an experienced player is just what is needed.

There will always be people who don't like noobs but thankfully there are also many considerate gamers about. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Joejoe84]

I have a side question I have just started playing M:TW and after hearing reviews about VI am not planning on buying it, are there still plenty of M:TW MP games going on?

[KukriKhan]

Just in case we missed saying it:

Welcome to the.Org Lodro Dorje http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Empress_Zoe]

Yes JoeJoe, but not very many with VI due to it crashing and being somewhat incompatible with normal MTW.
Have fun its always good to trounce some of the so called Veterans on their http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Fragony]

Never seen a community as newbiefriendly as the Total-war peeps. I went online for the first time, said I was new, and LOADS of people were all to eager to help me. Every game I tried so far has been a pleasant experience.
I think Total-War tends to have a more mature audience. It is same with Raven-Shield, people tend to be older, they are polite and helpfull most of the time. Oh compare that to the Warcraft3 community.... tried a few games, but the people are so hostile I gave up. Some just don't understand that multiplay is supposed to be FUN.

[Brutal DLX]

Well, I think there are two classes of newbies. The ones that don't listen and talk ..er.. nonsense, I have no problem with them getting heat from others. Then there are the ones who ask, listen and want to learn and generally are mature. Berating those shows you're a newbie yourself
Oh, and unless you've played a newcomer, you'll never know which category they belong to, so I personally don't like the peeps who refuse to play with newcomers at all...

[SpiderFromMars]

New players are the lifeblood of the MTW online community, and as such should be treated with the respect they deserve.

This is not your typical online experience though, for a new player it is often required that you show patience and respect yourself before it is granted. This applies doubly to teamgames where you may join three other players on the field. Drops and other bugs make the game unstable, and if someone totally new (or with an unknown name) ruins one of the games who actually start up by simply ignoring advice from his team, expect to take some heat.

Its all a matter of respect, and I'd say that most of the clan based players out there will grant you as much, and quite a lot of ronins as well.

As I pointed out in another thread sometime earlier, it is in many ways a test of your virtual honor http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The MTW MP experience is not one to be feared because of flaming and abuse from others, but one to be savored and looked forward to because it is truly unique http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I really can't recommend going online enough http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif