Silly weird stuff

[hrvojej]

Sometimes it just feels so surreal...

In my present campaign:

- a prince was commanding a battle although the king was present in the province; there were only 16 units present, i.e. the king was also on the field from the beginning; the prince was 3* and the king was 1*; still, the king got "scant mercy" for executing prisoners

- one of my princes had "pride" vice; one turn, "pride" turned into "lazy"; he lost +3 valour because of that

- Italian doge had 2 influence, and they had a civil war; the new doge came with an influence of 6; huh?

- with great effort, I managed to kill the Egyptian sultan in battle, and his only heir was in a besieged castle in Anatolia; I thought I had them; however, that prince magically sprited away from the castle to Egypt to become a new sultan; and to add the salt to the wound, the siege time was prolonged for a year because of that

- I finally assaulted that castle; although I have "tidy up units after the battle" turned off, the units merged inside the castle after a successful assault, to my detriment of course, and I lost some nice upgrades in the process

- aren't jihads supposed to ask for a passage the same way that crusades do?; this whole mess with the Egyptians wouldn't have happened if their jihad aimed at a rebel province behind mine asked for the right of passage, which I would have given to avoid that war; instead, it entered my province, retreated, and we were at war

- there were some other weird things with battles and unit morale descriptions, but I'd rather not get into that...

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[Mamushi]

I know what you mean...had a prince born a year after my king announced he was marrying the daughter of a local aristocrat...after he matures he gets the chinless wonder trait...but as far as I know, no inbreeding here then 2 of his brothers get similar traits Ahhhh Guess I will have to start turning the waterhose on any potential breeding in the near future.

[Satyr]

The King always leads the battle if he is present in the province. Always.

Vices happen. Deal with it. They happen in real life too. How many people do you know with the LAZY vice and they aren't even princes?

New kings always jump to the most developed province the faction has. It's magic. It's the rules.

[bighairyman]

Quote[/b] (Mary, Queen of Scots @ July 07 2003,11:28)]The King always leads the battle if he is present in the province. Always.

Vices happen. Deal with it. They happen in real life too. How many people do you know with the LAZY vice and they aren't even princes?

New kings always jump to the most developed province the faction has. It's magic. It's the rules.
agreed.


ur king always, led the battles, so u excuting those prisoners, ur king being the commander, gets the vice

[hrvojej]

Quote[/b] (Mary @ Queen of Scots,July 07 2003,11:28)]The King always leads the battle if he is present in the province. Always.

Vices happen. Deal with it. They happen in real life too. How many people do you know with the LAZY vice and they aren't even princes?

New kings always jump to the most developed province the faction has. It's magic. It's the rules.
I have a screenshot (two, actually) proving that he was not in command, but I don't have the means to host it.

Vices happen, but how can "pride" turn into "lazy"? I thought that there is some logic behind it, "secret pride" becomes "pride", "lazy" becomes "very lazy", etc. I don't seem to recall ever seeing this conversion before. It's not like he got "lazy" on top of "pride", but "pride" disappeared, and turned into "lazy".

Yeah yeah, I know that the king appears in the province with greatest number of buildings, I just didn't think that it was possible to move out from a besieged castle. I really wanted them dead...

[Foreign Devil]

Once, I assaulted a castle with a berzerker-only army. Reinforcements moved in, and I fought a battle agains 2000 or so spearmen, fydrdmen and peasants with the odd urban militia thrown in for run. I won, killing about 1200-1300 men, but I only had 30-some berzerkers left.

The thing is, next turn it tells me that I had suffered 30-some besieger casualties, and all of my now very high valour berzerkers were gone I had a few units that had gained 4 valour 4

I just found it very odd that I would still suffer besieger casualties if I was attacked from outside the provence and fought a regular battle.

[DDogwood]

My favorite is to bribe generals with the Man of Principle virtue. They gain the vice Weak Principles, but stay Men of Principle. So darn cool.

[Hakonarson]

Quote[/b] (Mary, Queen of Scots @ July 07 2003,11:28)]The King always leads the battle if he is present in the province. Always.
No he doesn't - I've had the king appear as "just another unit" of Royal Kn under a differenet general in some battles when the general had quite a bit higher command rating than the king.

I know the King wasn't the general because his unit had 21 knights instead of 20, and because it was listed as the king in the unit roster using F1.

The non-commanding King did nto have a crown on his flag either, so I had to keep a bloody good eye on him to make suer he didn't do anything silly

I was qutie surprised by this - using VI mod and Aragonese faction.

[Brutal DLX]

Well, it is stated in the VI manual that you can choose the commander of your army in the pre battle parchment now. I suppose that holds true also when the King is present, although I didn't try that yet as I'll always let the King lead the battle if he's present... because.. it's good for his ego... and influence. Heh.

[Hakonarson]

I'm not talking about VI - I'm talking about MTW with VI installed - there's no choice of commander.

[Brutal DLX]

Neither did I. I meant the VI xpack installed, not the VI campaign. It's global since VI. Read the manual.

[hrvojej]

Let me try to clarify:
The king was in the first 16 units on the battlefield, the opening 16, and he wasn't in command, the prince was a general's unit, and all troops had benefits from prince's V&Vs and command stars. Yet, the king got the credit for it. If I could only show the screenies, since picture says more than words...

Another thing I've noticed before is that although you can choose which unit will be a general in the field, the highest ranking unit will get the credit for it even if that unit was placed in the reinforcements and never deployed. On one occasion, I had a 9* and a 5*. I put 5* in command (better V&Vs), and placed the 9* as a last unit in the reinforcements, and he was never deployed. Yet, he got the blood lover after the battle (which was the very reason I didn't put him in command in the first place). Basically the same thing as the one with king and prince, only I didn't know that the royalty status is affected, and that it will be ignored even if the king was not in the reinforcements.

[Brutal DLX]

I see. Never paid attention to that, I'm just glad I won the battles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.
If there's going to be a patch, the devs ought to look into this one as well, the commander of the army should get the resulting V&Vs, not the one waiting in the reinforcement queue.

[Hakonarson]

Quote[/b] (Brutal DLX @ July 08 2003,04:09)]Neither did I. I meant the VI xpack installed, not the VI campaign. It's global since VI. Read the manual.
I read the manual last night - the handbook that is - and there's nothing in there about being able to change commanders. I searched around the pre-battle screen - nothing there about it either.

And I had it happen again last night - I started a new campaign as Hungarians on Normal, Early period. I had an heir with 6 command who commanded the army that his father was in (yes as part of the starting 16) - I slaughtered all eth prisoners and his father got "swift justice" - it weas a rebellion.

I can see why the King might get this tho - although another general commands the army, the King is stil the authority for justice - if prisoners are going to be killed it is likely a decision made by the king before the battle, or maybe afterwards.

[Brutal DLX]

I'll look it up again in mine. Got another language version though.

EDIT:

Looked it up, and its stated under "battle preparation", sub header "reinforcements" ... (translated) it states:

- if you move the general of an army into the reinforcement pool, he will replaced by the next-best general from the reinforcement pool autmatically. Likewise will a better general from the reinforcement pool, if moved to the main army, take over command automatically.

[Hakonarson]

Yes I tried this last night - althuogh when I moved the King out of hte initial 16 he was jsut replaced by the next spear in the line - I might try shifting all the good generals into the reinforcement pool and then shift the King in there and see if this replacement is automatic.

But none-the-less all the stuff I reported above has occured without any tampering of the reinforcements - in some cases with less than 16 units in play.

[Brutal DLX]

Yes, you could somehow make a case for the supreme commander of that army also getting the v&vs in addition to the sub commander who led the battle. The thing that apparently needs fixing is that the sub commander doesn't get the v&vs... It's good people found out about that one, so it probably will be fixed if there is a patch forthcoming...

[Kraxis]

Well the king should really take command when he has equal Command as the general. I suffered a horrible loss because of a prince with Good Runner at Rank 4 took over from his Rank 4 father.
I was sure before the battle that the king was in the first slot because I didn't temper with the reinforcements, and the fact that I looked carefully and remembered his position.

Personally I would want the 'King Always' return. I gave some atmosphere that the king always took over. And it makes sense. Many of them were arrogant.

[Portuguese Rebel]

The king appears to give control of battle to the most gifted commander. He appears in the field just as another unit. I've seen this happen a lot since VI.

knight- "Sir, the spanish approach..."
King- "Why are you looking at me? those peasants are in charge... im trying democracy now" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[vodkafire]

Whats wrong w/ Scant Mercy? I purposely butcher everyone on the battle field to get to butcher and the dread bonus. The drain on me personally NOT to kill prisoners is too much compared to the "merciful" bonuses. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif