Well, I went against my word....

[Teutonic Knight]

Hey I was in Wal-Mart yesterday and I saw VI sitting there for 20 bucks. So I said why not and I picked it up.
It's actually not too bad despite this God forsaken bug http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

I sure am glad I bought it, so I'm just here telling you guys who refuse to buy it; you might wanna think twice cause this is a great game despite the bug. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif


Teutonic Knight Is Happy

[Longasc]

As long as you only play the short Viking Campaign.

I am sorry, but you bought this yesterday, so be not too quick to applaud - it can mess up your MTW campaigns due the 56 years bug and Quicksave often crash, too. Notably more on the original MTW map than with the Addon, all my trouble started after playing MTW with added features and units on the normal/old MTW campaign map.

[Shahed]

Yes it's great, i think. There are still too many bugs that significantly detract from gameplay.

[ShadesPanther]

Some bugs are quite bad others are barable. the 56year bug has its advantages because you know exactly when he is gonning to die.

The features are nice which makes up for it barly

[Foreign Devil]

It is a great game Glad you bought it, Teutonic. Personally, all the added units and features, especially the pre-battle review screen, make VI worth it.

The bugs are still annoying and there really is no reason not to patch, besides the evil business practices of EA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif , but I still have really enjoyed the expansion.

[Satyr]

I think VI is an excellent effort. Yes, your kings all die at 56. So what? It hasn't cost me a single campaign. I am more attentive and I might even send my king into a certain death battle, but it works fine. As to the other bugs, well except for the reinforcement bug which I rarely see, I haven't had a single crash, EVER. I have played all factions in VI and some in MTW and the game is great. Count me as a happy camper (I would be happier with a patch, but).

[pdoan8]

I got VI on the release date. Even though I only play 4 campaigns, I have to say that it's worth the $30 I spent for the Xpack.

Some bugs but there are some new nice features to make up for that. I hope the Devs would consider patching VI. It's sad to see that a nice Xpack like VI got ruined by its own new features.

[Leet Eriksson]

Quote[/b] (Foreign Devil @ July 08 2003,15:47)]It is a great game Glad you bought it, Teutonic. Personally, all the added units and features, especially the pre-battle review screen, make VI worth it.

The bugs are still annoying and there really is no reason not to patch, besides the evil business practices of EA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif , but I still have really enjoyed the expansion.
I thought it was activision....EA published shogun but not MTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Foreign Devil]

Note to self- remember what publisher is at fault for not patching http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Galestrum]

Quote[/b] ]Yes, your kings all die at 56. So what?

I am sorry but that is just intolerable and needs to be fixed. I am holding off buying VI until its patched, and if its not, thats fine too.

Boiling water, picking reinforcements, and a few new units arent worth any of the bugs and $30 to me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif The modders can and have given us many of the units found in the Xpansion - and they also already made all the minor factions playable http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Brutal DLX]

Just a quick remark. You should see beyond the 56year issue.
Even if that is fixed, it will give you about 10 more years on the average before the king will die. Usually you will get an heir, but if you don't, remember there will be no royal uncle left since they die normally.
In previous MTW versions we all actually exploited the fact that royal generals never died of natural causes. And nobody complained back then that it's unrealistic http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
So my guess is, you still will have some problems after (if?) the 56 year bug has been fixed. Be warned now, so you won't be surprised later

[Old Bald Guy]

I too went against my word and bought VI, and I'm glad I did. If I hadn't, I probably wouldn't still be playing. And the more I play, the deeper into it I get. It's really a terrific game.

I'm resigned they aren't going to fix it. They got us, so why bother, since they'll get most of us again with RTW. Bummer, huh?

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Old Bald Guy @ July 09 2003,06:03)]I'm resigned they aren't going to fix it. They got us, so why bother, since they'll get most of us again with RTW. Bummer, huh?
yeah, that's one word for it...... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ July 08 2003,09:21)]Hey I was in Wal-Mart yesterday and I saw VI sitting there for 20 bucks. So I said why not and I picked it up.
It's actually not too bad despite this God forsaken bug http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

I sure am glad I bought it, so I'm just here telling you guys who refuse to buy it; you might wanna think twice cause this is a great game despite the bug. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif


ToranagaSama Teutonic Knight Is Happy


Told ya http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Oh the whole its a "fair" buy. In addition to the 56 year bug, there are numerous "small" bugs and design issues. Though, none of the bugs have caused *my* system to crash. Even with the bugs, there are numerious "small" improvements that make it worthwhile. Many of which are not directly obvious, and are probably due to AI improvement/clean-up (Kudos to ECS).

In comparing MTW to IV/Vikings, the Main Campaign appears more challenging than before. I only played the Main Campaign a short time before Wes completed the mod for it, so I'm not a hundred percent certain. Anyone else feel this way?

THOUGH, I will say if CA (ECS?) hadn't included Aging Generals I would have been sorely dissappointed and NOT have bought the Add-on, as I don't give a damn about Viking Invaisons

The Viking Campaign, in itself, is not compelling enough for *me*. I would have preferred if CA had expended its resources in make further improvements, such as "cleaning up" the code, and creating and adding "strategic" elements such as "Aging Generals". NOT ENOUGH ATTENTION IN THIS AREA.

Gosh, contemplate what a single, uncompensated, individual, such as WesW can do----shouldn't we EXPECT more from CA/Activision?? WesW/Modders SHOULD NOT have to re-visit the same issues, once they have been clearly identified, after the release of an Add-On. Perhaps, my thinking is just Dopey?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

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[Galestrum]

Quote[/b] ]You should see beyond the 56year issue.
Even if that is fixed, it will give you about 10 more years on the average before the king will die

Knowing the EXACT day your king will die is dumb, knowing the exact date your opponent kings death is dumb, being able to fully know in advance and prepare for your king death is....DUMB. Its a huge detraction from the game. I enjoy not knowing when hes going to die, it adds some questions strategically. And most of my kings last well into late 60s and early 70s, so its more like 15 years difference. This BUG is retarded...nuff said.


Quote[/b] ]In previous MTW versions we all actually exploited the fact that royal generals never died of natural causes. And nobody complained back then that it's unrealistic

I didnt "exploit it", there was nothing i could do about it, if i had known a way to mod it, i would have, and secondly, there were people complaining about it, i for one hated this idea of immortal generals.

On a side note, i am glad if you have bought it and enjoy it, for me though, bug's like the ones i hear about would make the game unenjoyable for me. To be honest, i was never a "modder" before MTW, but it has soooo many things i didnt like about it, that i became one so as to make the game playable for me and not waste my $$$$.

Sure MTW, is superior to any RTS games that i have played, but i think that is more a commentary on the RTS genre then any praise for MTW. MTW did not live up to my expectations, whereas STW totally blew them away. I hope with RTW they can exceed my expectations again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

Well, I am only playing 1.11 when I want to play a single player game.
I only use VI now to play MP (as I lost my cd key for the original)

It appears you were right, this damned bug makes the campaign virtually unplayable...

However VI is my only way to play MP as it's my only cd key.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Foreign Devil]

Quote[/b] (Galestrum @ July 09 2003,12:03)]Its a huge detraction from the game. I enjoy not knowing when hes going to die, it adds some questions strategically.
Unplayable? Hardly. I did'nt even notice this bug until I read about it on these forums. If you don't want to know when he'll die, just don't look at the age.

I just don't understand why the 56 bug is intolerable... anyway, I'll make a sincere effort not to post on this topic again, I'll just get mad. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I'll spend my time enjoying VI instead. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[bhutavarna]

the 56 bug bother me so much that i stop playing MTW 3 weeks ago.

[Galestrum]

Quote[/b] ]Unplayable? HardlyI didnt say unplayable i said ....


Quote[/b] ]Its a huge detraction from the game

and that detraction makes me want to play the version that works v1.1 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif




Quote[/b] ]If you don't want to know when he'll die, just don't look at the age.

I just don't understand why the 56 bug is intolerable...

so, I have to not look at my king's age, instead of CA not being smart enough to fix it? I am sorry but i am the consumer correct?

What if archers didnt fire arrows, would i just have to imagine that when the enter melee they are showering arrows from afar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Why not have kings be immortal? why not have them die at 12? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Part of the game, is using your king effectively and "not knowing" exactly how everything turns out. The 56 year bug lets you know exactly when the most important unit in your army will die.

And any obvious bug like this is, yes, intolerable. This isnt one of those "hey the 57th out of 60 handgunner's musket doesnt spew out smoke after every 15th shot in Bulgaria, during winter battles" kind of bug that is trivial. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

I agree Galestrum.....

I have reverted to playing 1.11 and I am still having allot of fun with it....

Apart from this bug VI is really great...and I'll start playing it as soon as they get it fixed....

[Brutal DLX]

I think you are overreacting quite a bit, Galestrum.
I always thought that the bigger issue for the players concerning that bug was that it could end their campaign instantly if there was no mature heir.
I understand you don't like knowing when your king dies and the implications thereof, neither do I, but this is minor in my eyes compared to the possible end of an interesting campaign as mentioned above.
CA didn't officially state that there will be no patch, so don't condemn them prematurely. If you absolutely can't play the game now, shelf it and give those devs some more time to prove you wrong, before you start putting your (then) rightful wrath on them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Old Bald Guy]

I figure there will be no patch because there hasn't been a patch, yet. VI has been out two months. It's an expansion, which means fewer sales than the original. In this day and age, a two month old expansion is aging rapidly. Attention spans, you know? So, with few still playing the game, there is little pressure to patch. Plus, when you factor in the pressure to complete a NEW game, how many resources can they afford to expend on making a patch? I'd love to be surprised, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Brutal DLX]

Don't think the pressure on Rome is that high atm. I think earliest release date would be Christmas. Admittedly, I don't know what other projects they are working on currently, but I think if given the green light by Activision they'll have a patch out rather quickly, as there are not that many bugs that need to be fixed. I'm not holding my breath either, but it's better to wait for an official statement than to base decisions on conjecture.

[Galestrum]

i'm not overreacting "quite a bit", im simply not buying a defective expansion, im not going to buy a car without a workin speedometer? is that overreacting? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

heh, you even pointed out a "larger gripe" than mine Brutal http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

everyone is entitled to think to what level the bugs are playable or not, but the bugs are there, and thats an objective fact, and with that fact and my not wanting it - i wont buy it. thats NOT overreacting

I never said CA is total insert expletive, i never said they are the worst company ever etc etc

i said and still say that the bug would ruin that game for me, and since there is no patch, nor any mention of one, i have no desire to purchase a defective product.


Quote[/b] ]CA didn't officially state that there will be no patch, so don't condemn them prematurely

i didnt condemn them im just not buying their defective product http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif and theyve had several months to at least mention a patch.

Also, let me be quite honest here, the great modders here have made new units, modded the startpos far more historically accurrate, adjusted buidling and unit production, made minor factions playable, made new "agent" units, added in new religions, etc etc etc, in less time and for no $$$, during their free time. If the modders can do this, I expect that the makers could too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

I for one do think they will patch VI - im not worried, and if after the patch, everything seems well, ill be a dolt and buy the VI, but in the off chance they dont, i wont contribute to their bank account hehe

[Brutal DLX]

Well, overreacting is putting forth gripes without reason lol. I just now realised you didn't even buy the expansion yet You are judging the product here without taking a personal look at it and for that you're complaining too much in my eyes, hence -> Overreacting
Aside of that, I am 100% with you, don't buy it until the bugs have been fixed, if you think you couldn't enjoy the game But you could have said that in one sentence http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Gazza the Lionheart]

Quote[/b] (Galestrum @ July 09 2003,12:03)]
Quote[/b] ]You should see beyond the 56year issue.
Even if that is fixed, it will give you about 10 more years on the average before the king will die

Knowing the EXACT day your king will die is dumb, knowing the exact date your opponent kings death is dumb, being able to fully know in advance and prepare for your king death is....DUMB. Its a huge detraction from the game. I enjoy not knowing when hes going to die, it adds some questions strategically. And most of my kings last well into late 60s and early 70s, so its more like 15 years difference. This BUG is retarded...nuff said.
I agree. This bug IS retarted. And saying that Kings only live 10 or so years after they turn 56 is highly inaccurate in my opinion. I was recently playing as the Polish and had a king who died when he was in his late 80's and most of my kings live well into the 70's. And anyone who says the 56 bug doesn't affect gameplay is deluding themselves. I have VI and played a few campaigns and didn't finish a single one because I kept running out of hiers.

[ShadesPanther]

My kins lived to their late seventies. Quite funny imagining a war king who is 79 charging into battle and is invinible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
I havent run out of heirs though and i have played alot of campaigns... maybe im just very fertile http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The oldest i had a king was 93 and that was because i did the hack to play on about 15 years too early

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ July 10 2003,09:37)]maybe im just very fertile http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
.....heh.....yeah....

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Brutal DLX]

I said on the average, from my experience. Anything over 70 was rare. And yes, it's a bug and it needs fixing. Nobody is opposing that statement, I think.

[ToranagaSama]

72 - 74 was the usual range for me. A death before then always came as a surprise. I believe I've had one live until 84

[Jacque Schtrapp]

In the good ole STW days I had a Takeda Daimyo live to be 102... of course he died without any heirs, go figure http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Old Bald Guy]

Your king was gay. No man who's been married could live to 102. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Odinn]

I don't have VI, have only been playing it a little at a friends house... might buy it tomorrow. Well, the question is, is there a 56 year bug in the Viking Campain (Britain) too?

The answer will determine if I will buy it tomorrow or not.

[Dîn-Heru]

Quote[/b] (Odinn @ July 13 2003,21:03)]I don't have VI, have only been playing it a little at a friends house... might buy it tomorrow. Well, the question is, is there a 56 year bug in the Viking Campain (Britain) too?

The answer will determine if I will buy it tomorrow or not.
It is.

[ShadesPanther]

well Its not so bad otherwise it is very good.

Sometims its good when you know he will die, because you look to see if he has any kiddiesnd if he doesn't slip him some viagra http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Odinn]

Eh, I don't want to know when my king is dying, especially if it is the same amount of years every f*ck*ng time. Better have that game cracked then... Don't wanna waste money on it unless they patch it.

[Brutal DLX]

Quote[/b] (Odinn @ July 13 2003,22:28)]Eh, I don't want to know when my king is dying, especially if it is the same amount of years every f*ck*ng time. Better have that game cracked then... Don't wanna waste money on it unless they patch it.
That's exactly the kind of post that will not get us anywhere patch-wise...

Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses

[Odinn]

did not buy it today... did not feel like it either (maybe it's because i overslept and the store was closed by the time i woke up).

[CeeBod]

Quote[/b] (Odinn @ July 13 2003,22:28)] Better have that game cracked then... Don't wanna waste money on it unless they patch it.

Quote[/b] (Brutal DLX @ July 14 2003,08:08)] That's exactly the kind of post that will not get us anywhere patch-wise...
I haven't bought VI yet either, but I will if it's patched. Surely the more of us that post here saying that, the more CA realise that not patching will cost them sales? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

it's time to celebrate guys a patch is soon to be released

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