mahmut80
07-15-2003, 12:21
This topic is for: The Dungeon » Mamluks and Turks For Napoleonic MOD.
hi Lebob,I'm from Istanbul.thanks for your carefully investigation:)
I think I can give you some tips.
first the word suvarileri is wrong,it must be suvariler (means cavalry)
because the i in turkish means something like similar of in english.
I think the mameluks must be as mamluks??they were the same soldiers that we know from mtw.
and Sultan=s Guard ,whats the meaning of = in here ,I didnt understand?.it must be ' perhaps?
sekhan is sekban in turkish ,I think it must be smth. like
sekbhan in english
sekbhans were the hunters of sultan in the mediewal period and then they were
Sultan Selims' new army.
the janisseries were not elite at this times(1750-1826). they became like bandits at napoleonic period
and then they were abandoned (1826-Mahmud II) because of their disobey.
the nizam-ı cedid were the elite infantry of turkish army.the janisseries were famous in the
1400-1650 period,because they weren't feudal,they were proffesional and getting money for making war,
traning everytime,like the roman legionarries.
and also their islamic faith helped them for motivating.
the janisseries in the nap period were called Hassa riflemen they were professional riflemen.
the info pics and textures of janisseries infantry don't fit the real ones.the janissery archers
and jan heavy inf. are more like the janissaries.
you know at this period the almohads,egyptians,greeks,hungarians,polish(lehs) were minor factions
living in the ottoman empire at the beginning of the nap period.
I think you can use the textures of neg inf for some african slave units.(North Africa)
some units like the ghazi infantry would be ok for militias.but using swords not axes.
and turkmen foot soldiers are ideal for yoruks(they were from turkmenistan).Heavy maces(really heavy,I saw one of them in the museum!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
were very famous in turkish armies for piercing armour and the armour wearer also.
and you can use Sipahis of the porte,they were called as Akincilar.Only in Europe,
they were elite like special forces of today,not the bodyguards of sultan as we saw in the mtw.
I didn't hear anything about Djellis,Fellahin,Zerli Nefer.what do they look like ?I think fellahins are arab.
and I know nefer means soldier.
the nizam-ı cedid fought against napoleon and others,they were disciplined and were real good in riflemen class,but they were few in number
so they didn't have much success.
you know about the horsemen,they were very brave and stupid ,De Moray said.
this is because of their fanatical faith, their desire for fighting,winning and dying in the way of Allah.
this is not for only the mamluks ,for all islamic units.
In my opi. don't use the janisseries as elite,they can be regular inf for the beginning of camp.
the nizam-ı cedid should be the elite inf. and the sekbhans can be the middle ones.
sorry but I don't have much inf about this period.
but perhaps I can help you for the order sounds that you will use in the battle map.if I can find my micr.
when will you finish your mod? and I think it must be about 15-20 mb ,that everyone can download it.and do you have a beta version for previewing?
hi Lebob,I'm from Istanbul.thanks for your carefully investigation:)
I think I can give you some tips.
first the word suvarileri is wrong,it must be suvariler (means cavalry)
because the i in turkish means something like similar of in english.
I think the mameluks must be as mamluks??they were the same soldiers that we know from mtw.
and Sultan=s Guard ,whats the meaning of = in here ,I didnt understand?.it must be ' perhaps?
sekhan is sekban in turkish ,I think it must be smth. like
sekbhan in english
sekbhans were the hunters of sultan in the mediewal period and then they were
Sultan Selims' new army.
the janisseries were not elite at this times(1750-1826). they became like bandits at napoleonic period
and then they were abandoned (1826-Mahmud II) because of their disobey.
the nizam-ı cedid were the elite infantry of turkish army.the janisseries were famous in the
1400-1650 period,because they weren't feudal,they were proffesional and getting money for making war,
traning everytime,like the roman legionarries.
and also their islamic faith helped them for motivating.
the janisseries in the nap period were called Hassa riflemen they were professional riflemen.
the info pics and textures of janisseries infantry don't fit the real ones.the janissery archers
and jan heavy inf. are more like the janissaries.
you know at this period the almohads,egyptians,greeks,hungarians,polish(lehs) were minor factions
living in the ottoman empire at the beginning of the nap period.
I think you can use the textures of neg inf for some african slave units.(North Africa)
some units like the ghazi infantry would be ok for militias.but using swords not axes.
and turkmen foot soldiers are ideal for yoruks(they were from turkmenistan).Heavy maces(really heavy,I saw one of them in the museum!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
were very famous in turkish armies for piercing armour and the armour wearer also.
and you can use Sipahis of the porte,they were called as Akincilar.Only in Europe,
they were elite like special forces of today,not the bodyguards of sultan as we saw in the mtw.
I didn't hear anything about Djellis,Fellahin,Zerli Nefer.what do they look like ?I think fellahins are arab.
and I know nefer means soldier.
the nizam-ı cedid fought against napoleon and others,they were disciplined and were real good in riflemen class,but they were few in number
so they didn't have much success.
you know about the horsemen,they were very brave and stupid ,De Moray said.
this is because of their fanatical faith, their desire for fighting,winning and dying in the way of Allah.
this is not for only the mamluks ,for all islamic units.
In my opi. don't use the janisseries as elite,they can be regular inf for the beginning of camp.
the nizam-ı cedid should be the elite inf. and the sekbhans can be the middle ones.
sorry but I don't have much inf about this period.
but perhaps I can help you for the order sounds that you will use in the battle map.if I can find my micr.
when will you finish your mod? and I think it must be about 15-20 mb ,that everyone can download it.and do you have a beta version for previewing?