Hey, Portuguese Rebel

[Degtyarev14.5]

You're always lamenting the omission of the Portuguese as a faction by CA. So here's your chance to make amends http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

Would you like to write up some historical short (very short) essays? For insertion into

C:\Program Files\Total War\Medieval - Total War\Loc\Eng\STARTPOS.TXT

Also, were there any particularly effective, important or otherwise interesting Portuguese troops lacking in, say, the Spanish or Aragonese armies? That is, would we need to design any new units?

Also, Spain is yellow, Aragon is orange, what colour would you like to be? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Note: this may take a while...

A.

[Al Shama'ar]

hi there, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


Quote[/b] ]Would you like to write up some historical short (very short) essays? For insertion into

C:\Program Files\Total War\Medieval - Total War\Loc\Eng\STARTPOS.TXT


General purpose or specific?


Quote[/b] ]Also, were there any particularly effective, important or otherwise interesting Portuguese troops lacking in, say, the Spanish or Aragonese armies? That is, would we need to design any new units?



D. Afonso Henriques declares independence in 1128, after the Battle of S. Mamede (http://www.terravista.pt/ancora/1627/mamede.htm), but this is only recognized by Pope Alexander III in 1179. So i guess there's no need to create specific units for the portuguese as the cristian armies in the Iberian Peninsula were very much similar. Rebel, correct me if i'm wrong.

You can go here (http://www.terravista.pt/ancora/1627/pag_1_e.htm) and have a look at major battles fought by Portugal between 1128 and 1476 and also the first royal flags.
The very first one is a blue cross over a white background which derived from D. Afonso Henriques' father noble house, from Bologne.
D. Henrique ( the King's father) had been given the Condado Portucalense, by Alfonso VII to manage and on condition he should conquer more land from the Almos.

I hope i have not said anything wrong as i'm writing from memory. If you want to know more, just say so, we'd be happy to oblige

Al Shamaa'ar

[Portuguese Rebel]

Given that the first shields are blue and white the faction should perhaps have a blueish colour. But it as to be different enough of the colours already in place. I used this set when i replaced the aragonese:

SetFactionCol:: FN_ARAGONESE 6 116 156 0 0 0

The result is a greyish blue and black as second colour (wich i thought worked ok and looked cool for troops).

About special troops i don't think there is much to work with. We share the same troop types as the spanish and aragonese. If we were to add some new unit i can think perhaps of a peasant type unit with more morale than the normal one. This since the strength of the portuguese armys in this time frame were the hardy peasants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Our peasants should at least kick butt of the spanish ones http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif (no offense to spanish blokes, just having inocent fun here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[Portuguese Rebel]

PS: The Portuguese should really be in the game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif (one more time can't hurt)

I'll work on a little historical/patriotic text to help you out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[jLan]

Make them pink http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Al Shama'ar]

Sorry, i'm afraid it can't be done

That color is reserverd for northern europeans sunbathing in Portugal http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

"Lobsters", we call them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Al

[Portuguese Rebel]

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But i got to say that girls from Norway (and others), even when very badly sunburned (total lobster style) never say "don't touch me".

And you got to admire that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Hurin_Rules]

How about a unique crusading unit, to reflect the fact that primarily English and Flemish crusaders played a large role in helping the Portugese to first capture their capital, Lisbon, in 1147-8? Maybe a particularly effective siege machine?

[Al Shama'ar]

If you're still interested in Portuguese units u should follow this link:

Medieval Portuguese (1350-1485 AD) (http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armies/var171a.html)

Oh and here is a short Portuguese medieval history:

"It was in the year 868 that Vimara Peres took destiny in his hands and drove the Moors out of the community of Portuscale on the banks of the Douro. The fight for Freedom had begun... From this date until 1095 a number of Counts of Portuscale were to follow. An attempt to breakaway from King Alfonso VI of León was made by Count Nuno Mendes in 1071 which ended in failure.

When in 1128 Afonso Henriques was just 19 and Portuscale's (now called County Portucalense) autonomy looked precarious under his mother's leadership (Countess Teresa) he took control of the situation and averted certain Galician domination.

Before going into battle against the Moors at Ourique, south of Leiria, his troops acknowledged Afonso Henriques not only their lord but also their king. A fact that his cousin, Alfonso VII, king of León, Galicia and Castile was finally to recognize at Zamora in 1143, but independence from León and the "emperor of all Spain" came formally only in 1179 (although recognized by the Pope as such since 1143).

By 1297, to put an end to years of almost continuous warfare between Castile and Portugal whose borders had now reached the shores of the Algarve, King Ferdinand IV of Castile and King Diniz of Portugal signed the Treaty of Alcanices by which their frontiers were defined after an exchange of territories.

A serious situation developed from 1383 when Juan I of Castile decided to stop Fernando I of Portugal ill-advised attempts to claim the Castilian throne. A number of large invasions and battles ensued. The Castilian threat ended in 1385 with their total defeat at Aljubarrota."

in www.portugal-livre.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/1000years.html


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Al

[Portuguese Rebel]

Hey AL, have you looked into what was messing your mod? Great text you brought here, its simple and has good information if ArseClown decides to make something out of it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Degtyarev14.5]

Shall do so when time allows. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

A.

[Al Shama'ar]

Reb:

I have, but didn't talk back to you cuz the forums were down on Friday. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif
The prob was that I declared FN_PORTUGUESE and commented out (used // before) FN_ARAGONESE. I kept changing stuff and everything was showing up fine, but once I started a game I got an error saying the FN_ARAGONESE were not recognized, and it directed me to the building_prod file. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Well, I finally came to the conclusion that the Aragonese are hardcoded http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif and I had to put them back and change only the labels.
Now it's working like a charm. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Btw have you or anyone else been able to create new names of Kings and Heroes?
There's a problem here with the Aragonese, since their names are redirected to the spanish, and I don't want the spanish having Portuguese names.
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If the Burgundians don't have a similar prob (with french names) I think I'll used them instead.

ArseClown:

From my limited research i think the cream of the Portuguese army at the time was based on military Orders as you might have noticed if you have followed the link above.

Cheers
Al