Little 'history' Events

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I'm really enjoying VI's new features, and I expect the patch will improve on these even more. However, in the original MTW, I really enjoyed the little historical events. Now, it may just be my imagination, but I don't think I've had one of these since I installed VI. Is it just me? Universal? Or am I a fool worthy of only your contempt?

[Yoko Kono]

im pretty sure you still get the events texts like "the finding of the true cross" and the like in the mtw campaign but i dont *think* there are any events present in the vi campaign

[jLan]

Yeah havent seen any in the viking campaign.. theyre still in the original campaigns though.

[The_Emperor]

yeah you don't get them in the VI campaign, and with good reason...

The fact of the lack of good archeological records of what happened during the Dark Ages. (called Dark by Archeologists because we know so little about what went on)

We just don't know enough about that period compared to the medieval period.

[jLan]

Yeah most of europe was in chaos after the fall of the roman empire, there were a bunch of warlords and very few united countries.. For that very reason there are also a lot less papers and the like, from which we would have been able to learn.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Historical events still take place in the main europe campaign, however, as everyone said and for good reasons non happen in the VI campaign (Except the The Norsemen are coming event).

[Mount Suribachi]

To say we know nothing of that period is a little bit of an exagerration. However, the light of learning was very nearly snuffed out in the west during the dark ages. During this period just about the only people who could read and write and add up were monks and the clergy, whose learning was consequently highly valued. There were also few (if any) religious, artistic, literary, philosophic and scientific advances in VI Britain compared to MTW Europe.

This lack of learning in the west contrasts greatly with the advanced cultures of the Byzantine & Muslim worlds in the same period.

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (NagatsukaShumi @ July 27 2003,15:34)]Historical events still take place in the main europe campaign, however, as everyone said and for good reasons non happen in the VI campaign (Except the The Norsemen are coming event).
I submit. But are there any in the files?

[jLan]

Here's the only one I've seen. (http://www.totalwar.com/community/vikingsp10.htm)

[The Witch-King]

Yup, the only one in the VI campaign I've seen too is the one right at the start about the comet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

[Hurin_Rules]

"There were also few (if any) religious, artistic, literary, philosophic and scientific advances in VI Britain compared to MTW Europe."

I have to disagree, quite strongly, about this. Maybe it's because I am a medieval historian http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Ever heard of something called the Carolingian Renaissance? Beowulf? Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People? The Book of Kells? The Lindesfarne Gospels? Feudalism? Alcuin of York? Carolingian Minuscule? The Peace of God?

The period of the VI is NOT one of stagnation. In fact, it laid the basis for the explosion of European population and learning in the latter 11th/12th century. The population, for one, kept growing in Britain even despite the invasions. That alone shows you how remarkable the era was.

If there aren't historical events in the campaign, it is through laziness, not the lack of anything going on. In fact, we know quite a good deal about the period from sources like the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. That alone could provide dozens of historical events.

[Mount Suribachi]

You have a point Hurin, but the key word is "compared", ie compared to the medieval period & compared to the Arab & Byzantine worlds.

But you are right, there are enough things to do historical events for VI.

[Hurin_Rules]

True, true. Britain at the time was an illiterate backwater by Byzantine or Muslim standards.

But if you look at historical events as cultural developments, I don't think that really matters. We don't really say that the deposition of the last Etruscan and the birth of the Roman Republic was not an important historical event because the Greeks and Persians at the time were far ahead of the Romans in terms of literacy, philosophy, etc. By the same token, events in Britain were just as meaningful and influential for the future as events in Byzantium or Cordoba.