Wales and there long bows

[coolhandluke]

How do i get/ train the Welsh longbowmen, ive looked on the chart thing you get with the game, but theres no mention of them. Ive tried building spear/ bow/keeps and so on, but still no luck.

Can anyone help? :(

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

You'll need a bowyers workshop, for Longbowmen. The welsh longbowmen are the same as the regular ones, but building them in Wales grants a +1 valour bonus. Cool name by the way. I love that film. And welcome to the .Org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[frogbeastegg]

You need to build a bowyers guild and wait until the high era (1205). Once the clock hits 1205 the longbowmen are yours.

Edit: Exactly the same Big King, scary

[Demon of Light]

Are you playing as a Catholic faction?

[ShadesWolf]

Welcome to the Org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Demon of Light]

Quick check what time those last 3 posts were made. Don't you feel loved, Coolhandluke? 3 responses in less than a minute coming 3 minutes after your post

Edit: ShadesWolf got here while I was typing

[coolhandluke]

Nice one Big King Sanctaphrax, ill give that a go this very evening... I dont get much chance to get on it, but when i do..Watch out Frenchie, im a coming for ya...and the Welsh are coming with me...(and the the Germans, cos well, you know...twice)

Oh, and for the demon of light, im playing as the English, so yup...

PS, onebigcoolhandlukehellotoy'all...

[DrHaphazard]

Uh, i think it might also be pertinent to point out that you have to be ENGLISH to have longbowmen.

Yall forgot the most important point guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif Or maybe that was already understood.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (DrHaphazard @ July 24 2003,15:58)]Uh, i think it might also be pertinent to point out that you have to be ENGLISH to have longbowmen.

Yall forgot the most important point guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif Or maybe that was already understood.
You don't have to be, They could always be Mercs http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ July 24 2003,19:10)]
Quote[/b] (DrHaphazard @ July 24 2003,15:58)]Uh, i think it might also be pertinent to point out that you have to be ENGLISH to have longbowmen.

Yall forgot the most important point guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif Or maybe that was already understood.
You don't have to be, They could always be Mercs http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Or you could bribe the ones in Wales at the start.

[alkalineruxpin]

That's the most effective way in Early. Scratch that, unless you change the unitprod file, it's the ONLY way in Early. But if you do that, you want to make sure that you never autocalc a battle with the longbows in it, at least until you can start creating them, as they will always suffer casualties. Also, keep them far away from other faction's Crusades.

[Monk]

all this talk about longbows reminds me of my moding days. i had them at 1.0 accuracy, 1000 distance, put their lethality at about 1.0, just sat back and watched the bodies drop lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif . had to reinstall TW to fix it but it was worth it to see entire units of 166 go into a rout after 5 voleys.

edit: btw welcome to the .Org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif coolhandluke

[alkalineruxpin]

Thanks for the welcome

I tried editing the projectilestats file to give the longbows a realistic range (given the information given in the file and the fact that longbows could fire around 350 yds), but the units would never fire They'd always try to fire, and then not. Strange strange strange.

Why is this?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Did you increase the velocity as well? I'm no modder, but I believe if you increase the range past the velocity, you'll have problems. I think this is one of the reasons for the volleyguns useless range.

[alkalineruxpin]

hmm, interesting. I'll look into that.

[Hakonarson]

Any bow can shoot 350 yards - whether it's effective or not at that range is another matter

Longbow effectiveness is often exagerated by people who don't know any better - thre's no particular reason to model it as being any better than any other bow - all sorts of people trained from early age with heavy pull bows, most nations who had lots of archers also used armour piercing arrows.

[alkalineruxpin]

So what was the real benefit of the Longbow? Accuracy? Rate of fire?

I'm only asking because obviously my 100 years war history is a little hazy.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (alkalineruxpin @ July 25 2003,02:29)]So what was the real benefit of the Longbow? Accuracy? Rate of fire?

I'm only asking because obviously my 100 years war history is a little hazy.
*Looks in book to confirm the facts*

Here we go...

It had an effective fighting Range of over 150 Yards with a Plate Armour piercing range of 60 yards. Longbowmen could shoot 10 or even 12 arrows in a minute. Each archer carried at least two dozen arrows with more on carts further back.

The crossbow while having its own armour piercing ability and a some range, took time to reload and could only manage four quarrels a minute at best. In archer duels between them there was no contest.

The Longbow was originally from Wales, during the twelfth century campaigns in Gwent it came to the attention of the English who were so impressed with its ability to shoot through the thickness of a church door that it was adopted. Under King Edward I everyone was required by law to train in archery on a Sunday to develop the neccessary skills. (and I don't think that law was ever recalled)

Historically it was the combination of range, high rate of fire and an armour penetrating ability that made it powerful on the battlefield... But the High Rate of fire gave it the real advantage against the crossbow.

[Dukezer0]

Continuing on your point emperor.

Longbowmen were able to have 3 arrows in the air at once, one hitting the target, one in mid air, and one leaving the bow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif .

[Oaty]

I believe it was the yew wood ( I believe thats what wood they used) that gave the longbow the best quality. The more important factor was they only used a certain portion of the tree that they used.

http://www.student.utwente.nl/~sagi/artikel/longbow/longbow.html

heres a link with some info on the longbow

http://www.rmsg.us/fire/archery.htm

and heres a page that has tons of lionks related to archery

[karmastray]

Quote[/b] (Dukezer0 @ July 25 2003,14:38)]Continuing on your point emperor.

Longbowmen were able to have 3 arrows in the air at once, one hitting the target, one in mid air, and one leaving the bow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif .
Within a certain range they could also fire a volley of two arrows per archer that would strike the target at the same time Magic? No, they'd fire one at an angle and another on a flat trajectory. Talk about sweeeeet... not for all the whiskey in Ireland would I have been one of those longbowman, though.

[alkalineruxpin]

I read in a book on great battles of history (and a worthy one at that) that the Longbow's actual effective range was 300yds, and that the Crossbow's was around 350yds.

Given that these are rounded numbers, I believe them subject to scrutiny, but the discrepancy between 150yds and 300 is a bit much, don't you agree?

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (alkalineruxpin @ July 26 2003,06:52)]I read in a book on great battles of history (and a worthy one at that) that the Longbow's actual effective range was 300yds, and that the Crossbow's was around 350yds.

Given that these are rounded numbers, I believe them subject to scrutiny, but the discrepancy between 150yds and 300 is a bit much, don't you agree?
True it could probably shoot that far, but the shot probably wouldn't be very accurate at 300 yards... I'd say your probably looking at an accurate shooting range of around 200 or 250 yards or so.

[Parmenio]

Didn't the English Longbowmen use emplaced stakes often to stall an enemy charge, thus increasing the ammount of damage them could do?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Quote[/b] (Parmenio @ July 26 2003,18:50)]Didn't the English Longbowmen use emplaced stakes often to stall an enemy charge, thus increasing the ammount of damage them could do?
Yes, this was a well used tactic. Generally, when they were forced to move from their pre-prepared positions, they fared badly, I believe.