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my 5 star gen have the v&v specialist attacker, gives +3 in attacking and the risky attakcer gives +1 in attacking. i used that gen when i attacked the byz that was 2000 men stronger then my army, but none of the bonus was added, my rookie units should had at least v4 but only had v2. and no all the other units didnt have any v&v that said they had any negative valour.
anyone else noticed this? or maybe have any anser or ideas why it is like this?
KukriKhan
07-29-2003, 12:07
Check out the discussions in the Table of Contents, here:
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;t=3823 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=3823)
v&v's are talked about 3rd or 4th subject down in that thread (which links to other threads).
The_Emperor
07-29-2003, 13:51
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Kukrikhan: thanks for tips but i couldnt find anything about my problem, maybe i missed it.
can anyone else help?
ToranagaSama
07-29-2003, 22:12
First, you may be confusing a bit the relationship between Vices & Virtures and Valour. Which is none.
Second, what was the Valour level of the attacking general?
It sounds as if, you believe that if your general has a Virtue which gives +1 Attack, that all the units s/b affected and show higher Valour. Is this correct?
I have trouble conceiving and comprehending the effects of V&V myself and noting the real effects upon the units isn't, at least to me, always clear.
But, in your instance, +1 Attack has to do with Attack value, NOT Valour. Each unit has an Attack Value and a Valour rating. The Valour rating is the value located in the upper right corner of a unit's icon.
Now, I'm not at all sure, but I'm not aware of any visible indicator for a units Attack Value. Though, I vaguely have a notion that something visible may exist.
Of course, the building that upgrades Attack Value is the Swordsmith, and units trained in a province with a Swordsmith visibly show a little sword (I believe it is) in the lower right-hand corner.
Otherwise, as I've said, there isn't a visble indicator for the additional Attack Value provided by a Virtue.
Now, the real question is whether a Vice providing a + Attack value truly has a real effect in battle?? Whatever effect, I'd imagine, is slight, and I doubt those new to the game would be attuned enough to note. Has anyone noticed?
I really haven't paid that close attention, but will in the future.
Hope the above was true, accurate, and helpful.
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Toranagasama my gen that i used had 5 star without any v&v.
with specialist attacker he gets +3 in attacking, meaning 3 more stars, which is 8 stars together
he also have the v&v risky attacker that gives +1 in attacking, meaning 1 more star, all toghether is 9 stars.
every unit get bonus in valour, the upper right number, depending on how many stars a general have, its the number devided with 2 which is in this case 4,5.
meaning, a rookie unit should have at least 4 in valour with that gen attacking an superior enemy army, which i did in this case, but my rookie units only had 2V (V = valour), meaning, the gens attacking bonus wasnt included in the fight they only got bonus from his basic rank, and its not supposed to be like that.
oh and by the way, i never said anything about attacking value
You was just a bit unclear.
The virtue:
Specialist Attacker add 3 command when attacking.
Risky Attacker: add 1 command when attacking.
All together, the general should have 9 command when attacking a superior force that is more than twice(?) his force. However, the bonus show on the battlefield was the basic bonus (+2 valour insted of +4 valour) that provided by the basic command rating, which is 5, of the general.
I've seen this and IIRC, someone has already mentioned about this long time ago.
Have you try to check the battlelog file to see if it reports the correct bonus? Prebattle valour should be the first column. Currently, I don't have any general with that virtue, so I can't check for myself.
Also, did the F1 screen display the correct bonus? I always suspect the F1 screen sometimes doesnt show the correct info (as it was in STW).
May be, it is really a bug.
Demon of Light
07-30-2003, 04:15
Best I can do is say that I have seen Expert Attackers get the valor bonus (expert is +2)
in the first 2-3 battles the bonus was included, then nothing for 4-5 battles, i put the gen to guard a province for about 15 years cause i didnt needed him at that time.
then i started a new war and used him again and the bonus came back for a couple of fights, then nothing again.
when he had the skilled and expert attacker he always had the bonus, i know that the risky attacker dont counts all the time if the enemy is not strong enough, but that doesnt matter cause he should give all his units at least 4v when attacking.
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