monks!!

[Tankdogg123]

I think monks should be reduced to 500 koku again. They are now one of the most unused units plus with the heavy cav having boosts I think it is time we brought thier price back down! What do u think?

[Kocmoc]

no tank,

u are wrong, i use them often, soon wil near
all use them again...

monks are back in bussines

they can hold, what nds cant, they are a bit more allround-unit.

koc

[Tankdogg123]

I see have they been made better with the oatch or something?

[Erado San]

Tank, we talked about this a lot on the final days of the test sessions. Monks are still very strong. We were even in doubt if they weren't still too strong.

Anyway, there is even now still a danger of a monk rush (one of the things we were trying to avoid). By lowering the price to 500 we think that the monk rush again will be too strong for many. No, the price of 550 is still just right.

[theforce]

A nd can have h3 and one upgrade or weapon or shield l do not know and beats wm and it costs 10 koku less!!!.

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[EuroSan]

Force mate...Me and Sp00n did some testings with monks vs dachis (Dachi 3h+1 vs monk 2h)
And dachi won if monk didnt charge back, but very close.....if both charged monk won.

Even tested alot of other honours number and so with those 2 units...



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[tootee]

I feel in MP, the wm is better than nd-h3-1a or nd-h3-1w. They don't get decimated by missile as readily as nd. Now, the games involves lots more archers. And wm has this morale thing against other units (is it applicable in MP? hmm.. someone pls enlighten me)


-- tootee aka goldfish

[Kocmoc]

its mostly a feeling, i dont need al lthis numbers, and i trust my feelings....

this monk is in 80% of the situation better,
but i take 2 nds in my standart setup with me...

u just need always a good eye on them.
i wouldnt turn them into a frontal attack, against nc or monks, coz monk and nc has both higher harge...

koc

[Tankdogg123]

kocmoc, U said to me yourself that monks are shit and I never see them in your army but after this discussion i have been putting them in my army more I need more time to make up my mind or change it.

[Kocmoc]

tank,

i said this before this patch.
with 1,01 nd was much better, but now monk
is a nice unit again.

it isnt such strong like in stw.

koc

Tank, in the new patch Nods have been pushed back in quality so that they can't beat easily (with upgraded) a monk.

We are in 1.02 now, most of the other opinions before it's release have to be changed!

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[Puzz3D]

Tankdogg,

Erado is right. The WM was suffering due to the stronger ND in v1.01. It took a while to realize that it was the ND that was making the WM seem poor. YA, SA, YS, ND and WM now all have the same hth stats they had in STW. The Nag is improved 20%, and the HC about 30% in hth. The Japanese cav all got +2 morale. The hth effectiveness of CA, YC and NC in frontal assuault on non-yari infantry is down about 20%, and against yari infantry it's down about 40% because the yari cancels the charge bonus. The cav is better able to make flanking attacks on infantry due to a 25% reduction in infantry foot speed. When they do that the yari does not cancel the charge bonus, and there are hth bonuses on top of that for flank and rear attacks.

MizuYuuki

[Vanya]

Blame the decline of the monk on the papist yoke... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Shoko]

Monks rule again,but watch out! for HC http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif

[BakaGaijin]

OMG! VANYA KENSAI!!

That's even more frightening than an Arq wedgie. =/

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[Vanya]

Quote Originally posted by BakaGaijin:
OMG! VANYA KENSAI!!

That's even more frightening than an Arq wedgie. =/

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