holy hell

[Duraz_asks]

i am currently playing a campain as the germans and control all from the borders of the polish and hungarians to spain and n africa to egypt and scandinavia and british isles.. the egyptains own all eastern provenses to hungarian polish borders and novg.... anyway i was waiting for a moment to attack them (the have biggest military) so i figured the mongs would be a good time to attack and ally with the mongs.. well that didnt go so well..the mongs got kicked out after 6 years...even though the egyptains lost there share of soldiers they still out number me.. what the hell am i supposed to do.. also i have no allies and at war with the polish.. which im not going to fight cause that will just put me a step closer to egypt.. im planning on letting them come to me cause i cant take them on in the desert..

[Mega Dux Bob]

You should start sending agents into the Egyptions and see what their armies are made up of. Typically it's mostly spearmen and camels that woun't charge home unless they see a flank so a strong HRE infantry force should be able to chew threw it.

[thrawn]

hey there, two things...
First: What is the naval situation? which leads to
Second: How many heirs do the egyptians have, since it sounds like you have a little buffer (poland?) why not train up a bunch of assassins (there is a thread about training these dudes) and attempt to eliminate the royal family (not that it would be easy) but a civil war in Egypt might give you the break you need...also if you can attack his king (when his king is apart from his 'huge armies) this may help...
just a thought http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Gregoshi]

Spoken like a true Imperial Admiral thrawn. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Welcome to the Org The Empire is always welcome here. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Where ARE those Jedi when you need them...

[YunDog]

I would train an Uber army and hunt down his King - Hopefully youll kill some heirs along the way. And if you dont succeed it will will the tale of legend how the last few held out - totally cut off and finally cut down

[-Isapostolos-]

Build your navy, destroy their ships, till none of them is left. Once youve cleared their coasts, land in their main provinces, and you will have destroyed most of their main troops production. From there on, you should just fend them of till they have exhausted themselves on your defences, and only then should you attack...

Ofcourse this all depends on you controlling the seas.

[RollingWave]

If you are not confident of beating them fairly... beat them not so fairly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

1.Assaination... train up assasins to kill their good generals and heir adn king (this would be a bit hard if you havn't gotten any good once yet... they aren't erally easy to build and low valor onces are next to usless against powerful targets)

2.spying: Spies are probably a bit easier to pull off and their low valor will only mean extra time not total failure... find a province that 1.doesn't have any border guards (very important) 2.have a small or non existent garrison (if it's close to one full stack or bigger you can forget about it) 3.preferabbly have a port 4.preferablly a rich or unit pumping province but any avalible target is good ... send in lots of them... like 20 at least, preferablly send in a large amount of holy mens to covert religion... this should make it explode into rebellions in a few year... rince and repeat...

While the rebels are usually weak and won't take much of a toll on teh enemy troop.. they'll cut down their infrastructure and income (espically if it's a costal trade province) which will eventrually kill them... win on money ... usually factions really low on cash (like in the negative) will have even more loyalty problems....)

3. religon: train up a hoard of carinals and bishops and flood them into the enemy territory... even though the home religion have some advantage... you can win with raw number... if the Egyptian province get's converted mostly to catholic... they are in deep trouble with revolts... not to meantion they can't pull off good jihads....

4. Crusade: If you havnt' knocked out the pope use crusades... to tip the scale a bit... make sure you raise zeal up in your preplaned rout ...

5.sea control: this is just crucial... if you control the sea its quiet hard for you to lose... do sea born attacks on their undefedended or lightly defended province.. (don't use your king or heir or any general you find too precious to lose though... just in case ....)

6.buy them uphttp://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif :if you have a lot of cash... bribe their big armies.... look around a bit and find those particually low loyalty generals with weak principles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ....

7.Hire mecenaries: if you have enough money and don't like bribing.... buy powerful mercenaries to help you out a bit...

8.Number is not that important.... reinforcements are quiet useless if you keep an eye on when they appear.... many ppl can easily beat 3 full stacks of army with 1.... (that's not that much better in quality either.) if your good with battle tactics go ahead and try... espically pick on province who's number is largely boastered by peassents and other low moral troops.

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

Further to Rolling Wave, if you hire mercenearies and add them to a crusade you dont have to pay their maintenance. Send of a good strong crusade (preferably by sea) to say antioch (or egypt) likely to be their two richest provinces. But dint try to hang on to them, move around and plunder as much as you can and damage infrastructure and bring in some loot http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif They will have to withdraw some units from the borders, perhaps weaking it enough for you to attack?

[Prince Lom]

There's always the cowardly option of just waiting around until they have a civil war, then clobber the winning side. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

But I think that I'd just attack. The better HRE units outclass the Egyptian ones. Load up on Arbalesters, Knights of all kinds, Chivalric Men at Arms, Feudal Sergeants and Gothic Sergeants, then just pound his armies into dust. Snipe their Generals with the Arbalesters and you'll wreck the morale of the army and all its reinforcements too. (cheesy, but it works...)

Top up with Crusades where you can, for cheap Knights and Order Foot Soldiers. Even Fanatics are useful as throwaway units to hold up enemies.


Also, everyone is right about naval war - you'll need to be able to at least defend your coastal provinces, ideally you'll dominate the seas completely.



The old 'inciting rebellions technique' using Spies seemed to work much better in the older version of MTW, it doesn't seem to be effective so much in VI. I may be wrong, to be honest I haven't fully experimented - I just can't bring myself to fight that dirty. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Shadow_Wolf33]

and if all else fails..propose an alliance and build up as much as you can http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

and choose your battles carefully, if they have no range support; chew away at them with archer type units and weaken them before charging home...remember what George S. Patton once said A soldier's duty is not to die for his country, its to make the other poor bastard die for his (correct me if I'm wrong)
so keep those casualty counts as low as you can. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Duraz_asks]

well ive faught some taugh battles and i now slightly have a bigger army... i control pretty much all the sea except the giant lake think east of constantinople.. gah forgot name.. red sea or something

[Kekvit Irae]

Isnt holy hell an oxymoron? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Duraz_asks]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif do the happy dance do the happy dance

[|OCS|Virus]

here is something for spearmen,: nubian spearmen will take sacren spearmen, urban militia will wipe out sacren spearmen, and muhawd spearmen will destroy urban militia, and sacren will take muhawd. This is what I have found to be true and this is mostly what there army's are made of, that and peaseants which are easy to kill.

[MadSoul]

Okey...I had same proplem whit bysantines proplem is now solved. Take out their fleet so you can send crusade Midel of their empire.when you have border to them attack and start taking their prvinses .Then stop they should attack against all your troops. What makes their troops les big in one fight.and because they are moustly pesants.They sould loose all batles hevyly .....And no prisoners taken okey...just kill them all.....and when you go to the desert use lightly armored troops and chilvarig Sergeants.