Attacked from both sides of the river

[ReturnOfTheJordi]

This one is new to me. I thought river battles always took place with the antagonists separated by the river, although I always thought the river should be irrelevant if you attack from provinces on different sides of the river.
Anyway I was playing 1580 campaign as Oda and had won Mikawa from Tokugawa who retreats to the castle. Next turn he attempts breakout assisted by Takeda attacking from Shinano and Takeda attacks on MY side of the river. Anyone seen this sort of thing happen?
It was very confusing really. I beat off Tokugawa's charge over the bridge but Takeda had overwhelming force and was about to overun my defence so I "retreated" to the opposite side and a confused Takeda stopped. After hitting one of his units with missiles it broke and "ran away" by attempting to charge over to the side of the river I was now on (I hope you're following this!). The few troops who made it across then ran along the river effectively in the Shinano direction on the opposite side of the river from which they had first attacked.
The AI had really confused itself and by me being able to cross to the attacker's side of the river the AI seemed only to want to attack me on the side I had started on, and all Tak's Nag cav stood idly by while the time ticked away. Wierd.
Great campaign this one. Played on expert and completed Autumn 93. Very challenging and not for beginners!

[Hiroshi-O'Duff]

Very harsh! The whole river thing is flakier now (to me) now that you can reinforce from both sides of the river.

River battles aren't as guaranteed as they used to be.

Duff

[ReturnOfTheJordi]

Reinforcements only come on 1 side if you use the patch Hiroshi. It was really silly before the patch - not so much Total War as Total Hide and Seek. :-)

[Shoko]

Thy patch that fixies all http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[ReturnOfTheJordi]

Just to clarify. I was attacked from both sides of the river with no reinforcements involved. (I do use the patch. Reinforcements coming from all sides is so unrealistic I find it hard to believe they actually released MI in that form.)

[Subutai]

Just an anecdote:

Late game, only two other clans left (Takeda and Hojo I think). Me and Takeda (allied) are taking on the last province of Hojo, which has a river and a long bridge.

I let Takeda take point and he sends his entire army across the bridge. He gets blocked at the other end by Yari Samuarai, while enemy archers rain down arrows on his troops on the bridge.

Aware that Takeda is shortly going to become the only barrier between myself and the shogunate, I send my own troops into his rear, and set my archers to kill his troops trapped in the middle of the bridge.

Total wipeout for Takeda, and he did me the favour of softening the enemy defense aswell.

It made me laugh lots, even though it is slightly dishonourable.

Subutai - Thief and Archer

[Sir Chauncy]

You dastardly little smurf Subutai! What a harsh thing to do! Can you imagine the look on Takedas' face after dooin all of the hard work for you to turn on him.
Back on topic however, if three people attack a province then the armies deploy in a triangle shape with the defender in the place he/she/it always is: at the back of the map.
(attacker 1) x x (attacker2)

...................................(river)

x (defender)

The problem is that the river stops attacker 2 from deploing properly and the computer shifts them allong until they can setup, this usually means on your side of the river but doesn't have to be because the rivers bend. As a result of this sometimes the other attcker sets up on the attackers side.
If this makes sense, it is a miracle.

[Zone]

Quote Originally posted by Sir Chauncy:

The problem is that the river stops attacker 2 from deploing properly and the computer shifts them allong until they can setup, this usually means on your side of the river but doesn't have to be because the rivers bend. As a result of this sometimes the other attcker sets up on the attackers side.
If this makes sense, it is a miracle.

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If you mean defenders side rather than attackers (the last time it appears in your post) then yes, to me it does http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


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