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sexyred
08-04-2003, 16:01
It was the year of our lord 1257. Prince Stephen, who sat 2nd in line for the throne of England, had gathered his most trusted body guards and his younger sibling Edward, and headed north through Flanders to the farther most outpost of his fathers lands.
The fort, a simple outpost, was all that separated English lands from that of the Danes and Pole's, but it was from these lands that Stephen would bid is final farewell.

Stephen pulled back abruptly on the reigns of this battle stallion, bringing the entourage to a halt. Turning to his brother, a forlorn look upon his face, Stephen calls out.
Fare thee well brother'.

Turning to face him, a sad smile creasing his face Fare thee well, brother'. Edward replied.

Without another word - both men turn and abruptly started riding off in different directions.

The sound of the hooves thundering in the air around him, lulls Stephen into deep meditation. Reflecting the circumstances that brought he and his brother to this predicament.

Stephen, the second son to King John II, was a natural leader. It was even whispered in the courts that his battle prowess and financial acumen was superior to that of his eldest brother William, but Stephen was second in line to the throne. Being the King of England was not in his destiny.
Perhaps his envy of his brother William was what caused his perversion? Perhaps his incestuous relationship with his brother Edward is what made Edward cracked-brained?

Bahh Stephen snorted... all these questions will be answered in the after-life. Now it was time for battle.

Stephen rode with his loyal band of bodyguards north, into the land of the Danes. Edward rode with his troop, to the East, to the land of the Polish.

The intent is clear. Die gloriously in battle, BEFORE anybody found out about the two of them.

Neither warrior travels far before the local militias confront them. Without hesitation each joins battle, with decidedly different results.

Edwards troop fights gallantly, but in the end, his bodyguards are overwhelmed and slaughtered. Edward dies gloriously for England.

Stephen's fate, it seems, is still in the hands of the gods.

Meeting an army 720 strong, composed of spearmen and peasants, Stephens’s party of 20, thundered across the grasslands assaulting them directly. The clash of metal and dying men echoed across the valley.
For an eternity the English bodyguards fought to break the Danish lines, but sheer numbers drove them backwards into one another. One by one the Danes slowly cut them down.

Sensing his death close at hand, Stephen screams out FOR ENGLAND rallying his few remaining forces to his side. The surge is fierce and momentarily pushes the Danes back, but it is not enough. As his last man falls, an inky blackness overcomes Stephen. His mind grows dim.

It could have been hours it could have been days. He is not sure, but his first thought of consciousness and clarity is that of the rain. Gently splattering in the mud. The dull 'thiiing' sound it makes, when it hits his armor.
Like a man drunk with too much liquor he surveys the scene before him, half disbelief, half amazement.
Dead he says out loud to himself. They are all dead.

Standing alone, in a field of corpses, Prince Stephen kneels down and prays.
My lord my God, my valor is naught without you. My new command rating of 4 and valor of 14 Will smite thy enemies greatly

Alone, with his valor of 14, Stephen set out to conquer the world. After a solo rampage through 5 provinces and 1000s of enemy soldiers slaughtered, by himself, including hundreds of spearmen... I retired this particular game.

Has anyone else ever gotten a general or prince to a level 14 valor?? Can they be beat at 14????

He jumped from a 2 valor to 14 in 1 battle

Crazy… but it was fun watching him kick so much ass.

MonkeyMan
08-04-2003, 16:14
Oh they can do that, my personal record was somewhere around 1500 dead peasants and spearmen (normal difficulty) for my maxed out king I was tring to kill, he must have been at about 12-14 valour. Be aware that your prince may well have been at 14 to start with but his bodyguards at 2 each, i.e. (14+(19*2))/20=(roughly) 3 (actually about 2.6).

Nothing more heart warming than trying to kill off a King/Prince them surving against the odds though. Almost makes me feel bad the year after when I charge them alone at 500 pikemen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

el_slapper
08-04-2003, 16:17
mmmh, once I had 2 units versus a single king. The brand new halberdiers got the kill. looking at the log, the guy had jumped from valor 0 to valor 6. For one single kill. Nice, huh?

In other words, slaughtering hordes of opponents should get a nice level. Especially if you exterminate hi-level targets, heirs, kings.....

sexyred
08-04-2003, 16:32
hehee...... I was a bit surprised he lived... and after the 5th province was truly reluctant to kill him off. I'd grown quite attachted to the poor perverted lad.

Of course.. he never did encounter any calvary killers like pikemen.

At any rate..... I decided I'd somehow 'broken' the game, so started over. I haven't been able to replicate the situation since then, so thought perhaps it was a fluke.

If you have experienced the same thing... I guess it isn't.

Any way..... this was my tribute to poor Prince Stephen.
#2 for England, but number 1 in my book.

MonkeyMan
08-04-2003, 17:01
Quote[/b] (sexyred @ Aug. 04 2003,16:32)]hehee...... I was a bit surprised he lived... and after the 5th province was truly reluctant to kill him off. I'd grown quite attachted to the poor perverted lad.

Of course.. he never did encounter any calvary killers like pikemen.

At any rate..... I decided I'd somehow 'broken' the game, so started over. I haven't been able to replicate the situation since then, so thought perhaps it was a fluke.

If you have experienced the same thing... I guess it isn't.

Any way..... this was my tribute to poor Prince Stephen.
#2 for England, but number 1 in my book.
Well I forget the exact rules but your army general gets additional hit points/lives. So a king in command of an army gets anywhere from 20-40 depending on V&V's. This means that despite being only one man he's as hard to kill as a 20-40 man unit all of valour 14 given the combat time and the fact that most units have only 1-2 lives. Note that your no general prince died pretty fast, this is always the case, I harly ever send in more than one good general/price, because they are 10x(ish) more likely to die without the bonus. i.e. never do anything stupid like send in your best general, king (who always takes command) and 5 princes, because chances are only one will come out alive in a heavy battle.

thrawn
08-04-2003, 20:32
thanks for that info MonkeyMan...I have been going up against this Almohad Khalipha as the French and even with 2 full units of 5 valour Feudal sgts this dude wails on them, he killed 76 of them before 'fleeing'. He is all by himself too Those stats would explain a lot ... ridiculously unrealistic, but hey its a game.
I think those stats are just for hand to hand though and not related to missile fire because two units of Jinettes under my command took this same Khalipha down in a subsequent battle on their second volley of javelins.
Thus was the end of Arnold Schwarzenegger in a turbin http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Kraxis
08-04-2003, 20:50
Quote[/b] (thrawn @ Aug. 04 2003,14:32)]I think those stats are just for hand to hand though and not related to missile fire because two units of Jinettes under my command took this same Khalipha down in a subsequent battle on their second volley of javelins.
Thus was the end of Arnold Schwarzenegger in a turbin http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Yes, the Armourlevel stays the same. Thus kings and generals are much easier to kill with arrows or other ranged weapons. They still have their lives but when 60 archers target the same man quite a few will hit. The same goes for javelineers.

Btw the limit of lives is 30. And killing a king is equivalent to killing 50 normal men.
This I have gotten from the devs.

sexyred
08-04-2003, 22:22
I always thought it was weird how I would run into a enemy king and it would take 2 - 3 units surrounding him...1 - 2 mins in accelerated time - to kill him off.
I kept saying That's not fare My king doesn't live that stinking long in battle

Until Stephen came along......

Now it all makes sense

....and I just thought the computer was cheating. 8-)

Oaty
08-06-2003, 07:23
Well Kings being near invincible is'nt totally inaccurate as they basically had unlimited funds to get the best armour and weapons and best trained horses for their small unit of guardsmen. Just reading the story on Manzikert that someone else had posted here how the king was the last man fighting as his rearguard withdrew leaving him to try to fight his way out. The story said how he just fought on and on til he finally got dehorsed and taken prisoner. Even before being taken prisoner He had routed men. Now there could very well be factors in this or someone writing history to appeal to the readers of that time. I won't completely dismiss it as the king probably had some very good armour donned plus those guys attacking him were probably thinking of the share of ransom money they get a for taking him back to the General/Prince or King.