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The more I play Medieval, the more I miss Shogun. I can't get Shogun to run on my comp now, I think DX and audio/video drivers are too modern, so I've been trying to find out which versions work with the game. If Shogun runs on your comp, please tell me which version of DX you're running.
Also, I have an ATI Raedon 9000 Pro. To anyone else who has a Raedon card, which drivers are you using that work with Shogun?
Likewise, I got a Soundblaster soundcard. If you also are using Soundblaster, which drivers work with Shogun?
Sjakihata
08-11-2003, 15:12
ati radeon 9700 pro latest drivers
soundblaster 5.1 latest drivers
dx 9b
shogun works perfectly
Sasaki Kojiro
08-11-2003, 16:55
I'm using the DX that came on the cd and it works perfectly.
I assume you guys are running the most recent patch version of Shogun too right?
Also, did anyone with Raedon cards have to tweek the OpenGL or Glide settings? Did you have to play with the Direct 3D or DirectDraw settings for DirectX or anything?
In case you're curious, I install the game and patch just fine. When I double-click on the game icon, I get the small red square box that says Shogun on it, the screen goes black as if the game's about to load, but then it crashes to desktop.
I'll reinstall it now and try fooling with the OpenGL and Glide settings.
Sasaki Kojiro
08-11-2003, 22:27
Quote[/b] (Servius1234 @ Aug. 11 2003,16:20)]I assume you guys are running the most recent patch version of Shogun too right?
In case you're curious, I install the game and patch just fine. When I double-click on the game icon, I get the small red square box that says Shogun on it, the screen goes black as if the game's about to load, but then it crashes to desktop.
I do have the most recent patch for STW:MI. The error you described is exactly what happened to me, to fix it I reinstalled the DX that came with the game and then restarted the computer, it worked just fine once I had done that.
well, I just reinstalled the game, patched it to v 1.12 (no Mongul Invasion version, just plain old STW).
The order of the crash is now red box, black screen, error message citing a program fault with file shogun.icd, crash to desktop.
Also, I tried to reinstall DX 7.0 that came with STW, but windows jumped in, said that since I had a more recent version of DX no new files would be copied.
Brother Derfel
08-11-2003, 22:41
I am prety sure DX should have nothing to do with it. I bought Shogun after Medeival and never played it seriously so have not patched it at all, and it runs completely fine on my computer with DX9. And this is original Shogun with no expansions.
Sjakihata
08-11-2003, 22:48
I asked them at the apothecary to help you out, also you might as well state you system specs (os, cpu etc) so they can better help.
the topic in the apothecary can be found here (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=2&t=9999&st=&&#entry140491)
I could only get the original Shogun to run in software without lock-ups on my Voodoo3. Supposedly the Voodoo is supported card but it never would run for more than a few minutes without locking up. I ended up trading Shogun off out of frustration and in a way regretted ever since.
I recently picked up a copy of the Warlord Edition at Sam's Club for $9.99 and it runs perfectly. Makes me suspect maybe the old version had problems.
BTW DirectX 8.1B NT
Poor Servius' system specs:
Windows ME
ATI Raedon 9000 Pro
Soundblaster Live Value
DX 9.0a
1.6GHz Intel P4
384 MB RAM
...and thanks for getting apothacary's attention. I hope they've seen that error message before and know how to fix it.
I also emailed EA tech support, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Also, a side note, I couldn't ever get the original Shogun to work either. The computer I had when I first bought the game had a Raedon VE card, which meant it could serve two monitors at the same time or something. The work around some tech support guy figured out was for me to disable my DirectDraw Acceleration, start the game up, then Alt+Tab back to desktop, re-enable DD Acceleration, and play the game. Even though I have a different vid card now, I tried that again and much chaos ensued with my monitor, so I am lothe to retread that path.
k, update:
I got a reply from ea.com, telling me that ea.com support has moved. Actually it's just a forum now, I couldn't find any email support. But anyway, I looked up shogun.icd and found the same workaround I had been told about years ago. It seems my Raedon 9000 Pro has the same double-monitor feature the old VE did, and I'm experiencing the same problem. Okay, so here's what the new deal is...
If I use the DX Diag Util, disable DirectDraw Acceleration, start Shogun, the game works, kinda. The mouse cursor studders as it moves around on all screens (load screen, campaign map, etc.). The other problem I've now encountered is that in the battle screen, the top, bottom, and sides of the screen are black. I cannot move the camera with the mouse pushing against the sides of the screen, though the right-click to point camera function stil works. I can move the camera with the arrow keys, but the movement is very stuttery.
So, at least it seems clear there is no problem with my audio settings, and that the problem lies with my video settings.
Akechi, if you check this post again, does your Raedon have a double-monitor ability too?
Kraellin
08-12-2003, 03:00
k. go into desktop, settings, advanced and find the monitor settings thing. you shld see an option in there for dual monitors. disable the dual part and set to single.
upgrade your windows media player to latest. the black screen after the shogun flash usually indicates one of two things, vid drivers or windows media codec fault. and make sure your win media player is set as the default media player and not real player, or quicktime or some other program. to check it as the default, you can usually just double click on an mp3 file or an mpeg file. if win media player pops up to play, then it's prolly ok. do both file types, though, as you may have an audio player for one default and vid player for another.
dx 9.0a shld work fine, but you may need to hunt around for vid drivers, and dont be afraid to use older ones. and dont be surprised if you have to swap them around a dozen times to find ones that work right.
go into windows safe mode and make certain you dont have more than one vid driver set installed. also check device manager while you're there and make sure you only have ONE vid card enabled. if you have more than one, disable the one you're not using. do this in WINDOWS SAFE MODE, not normal windows. normal windows lies about stuff in device manager.
run all tests in dxdiag and enable the save file feature so that you can copy it here later on (or in the apoth). dont worry about any certification notices you get, but do notice any failed tests or errors.
when swapping vid card drivers, it's best to go into windows safe mode and enable the basic vga drivers. go back into normal windows mode with these and then load your new vid drivers and reboot as required. test the game. if it fails again, back to windows safe mode and repeat. sometimes you can just overwrite older drivers, but when going retro, vga in safe mode is the smart move.
get discouraged, bang on the walls, call mr. gates, curse his name, bow to the west, say hail bill 25 times, kick the cat and take a walk around the block....then try again.
oh, and the icd error can also mean the disk is bad. an icd error is one of those general idiot errors that could be a thousand things, but it usually means 'my hardware cant talk to my hardware', which is normally a driver thing. your last description when you did the work-around tells me vid drivers. i did a write up on icd errors once and i think it's posted in the tech library somewhere.
also, dont worry about patching the game till you get the game to work. that's just adding fuel to the fire a lot of times. only times this may not be true is if the patch is for a specific hardware/driver problem.
K.
Red Harvest
08-12-2003, 03:13
I have the same problem with original STW (and patches) using 8500 (all driver sets), various version of DX. It's a game bug--the hardware is fine but the game doesn't initialize properly, hence the ICD error. I used to have the same problem on a different system with a GF2 GTS way back when, so this is a CA problem with picky initialization. What works for me is using the MI expansion pack. Things launch fine from there. (9000 Pro is a slower clocked 8500 core.) You might try the no CD crack. That works for some. Do a search of GameCopyWorld.
DirectX 9, Windows XP, works perfect. Crashed once at a castle assault, old problem.
Does anyone know how I can get my hands on the Mongul Invasion and/or Warlords Edition expansion packs? I might try that too as it sounds like it has worked for several of you.
Amazon doesn't have either. I'm gonna check on Kazaa and see if anyone's got it on there.
Sjakihata
08-12-2003, 16:56
Quote[/b] ]Akechi, if you check this post again, does your Raedon have a double-monitor ability too?
Yes, but it detects of two are connected, and then by default set it for only one monitor. I am not sure if I can force it to think there are two monitors connected, but do as Kraelin says, enable only one.
Quote[/b] ]I'm gonna check on Kazaa and see if anyone's got it on there.
The more money you spend on tw products, the faster we get rtw http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
but good luck, mail me @
sjakihata@stofanet.dk
and I can share the cd, if it works you HAVE TO promise me that you buy the original cd too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
k, minor update :-)
1) I tried Kazaa, but no luck
2) Gamestop.com did have it, the Warlods Edition, for ten bucks, so I have ordered it. Hopefully it will resolve a lot of this.
3) My vid card settings only have one of the two possible monitors enabled. It shows the option for a second one, but the ATI control panel thing seems to know that no other monitor is even plugged into the comp, which is more than I can say for my...
4) Device Manager has TWO display adapters installed, and has detected the presence of a second monitor, even though none exist. Perhaps this is just windows making a not that there are supposedly two monitor plug ports in the back of my vid card, without actually bothering to see if a second one is plugged in or not.
I tried to delete both the secondary Raedon display adapter and the second phantom Default Monitor entry in my Device Manager, but every time I restart the comp windows, in it's infinite wisdom, automatically reinstalls these entries without giving me a chance to intercede and not have them installed.
RTW better not have any of these problems or heads will roll at CA :-)
Pdifolco
08-12-2003, 21:07
I played orig STW with DX8, then STW/WE with DX8 & 9, it can't be a DX problem IMHO.
Where does the game crash ? During the opening movie or later ? In the former case just delete the intro movies and try again,it can be a damn codec problem and the intro isn't that important http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ..
thanks for all your help folks.
based on ease, I'm gonna try the Warlords Edition and see if that does the trick before I go fooling around with drivers too much more.
There also seems to be something else wrong with my comp, as PlanetSide crashes just as I'm about to enter the game, and several times while trying to replace audio and video drivers during this escapade I've run into some kind of error when upgrading files.
I'll patch something, say OK when I'm told to reboot, and rather than just hold the Windoes ME load screen up for a while and then go to desktop when it's done, I'll get thrown to a DOS screen where the error message...
Windows could not upgrade the file %1 from %2
%1:%2
...is repeated several times, I guess based on the number of files that could not be patched over I guess, and then I'm given an option to try and finish SETUP and a warning that SETUP might fail.
Yeah...great...
Anyway, just wanted to let you all know where things stood.
By the way, a gameplay question, what do you do with diminished units in Shogun, like units that, through combat, have taken casualties? I can't seem to merge units or refill them. Is this a trick I haven't figured out yet? I can't even disband them I don't think.
Kraellin
08-13-2003, 04:26
do you happen to have any onboard video cards that came with that motherboard and also the ati card installed?
Quote[/b] ]4) Device Manager has TWO display adapters installed, and has detected the presence of a second monitor, even though none exist. Perhaps this is just windows making a not that there are supposedly two monitor plug ports in the back of my vid card, without actually bothering to see if a second one is plugged in or not.
this tells me that you either have two vid cards installed, maybe 1 onboard and 1 agp, or 1 onboard and one pci, or one agp and one pci. not good.
definition of display adapter: this is from the microsoft computer user's dictionary:
display adapter: see video adapter
video adapter: the electronic conponents that generate the video signal sent through a cable to a video display. the video adapter is uually located on the computer's main system board or on an expansion board, but it is sometimes built into the terminal. also called video adapter board, video board, video card, video controller, video display adapter.
if you've got two of these installed you need to get rid of one of them. if it's a physical card you can remove, remove it and then go into windows safe mode and uninstall the drivers for it. go into device manager IN WINDOWS SAFE MODE and disable that adapter if it's still showing. install the base vga drivers and reboot. now check windows device manager in normal mode and see if it's still showing two display adapters. if one of the adapters is an onboard type, like an intel graphics card, just disable it in windows safe mode, uninstall all drivers, and install the base vga drivers and reboot.
if and when you get rid of the 2nd adapter, then go ahead and install the proper drivers for that remaining vid card.
K.
Portuguese Rebel
08-14-2003, 01:04
Quote[/b] (Servius1234 @ Aug. 11 2003,17:17)]Poor Servius' system specs:
Windows ME
ATI Raedon 9000 Pro
Soundblaster Live Value
DX 9.0a
1.6GHz Intel P4
384 MB RAM
Windows ME
yuuuk http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Sasaki Kojiro
08-14-2003, 01:25
Quote[/b] (Servius1234 @ Aug. 12 2003,19:58)]By the way, a gameplay question, what do you do with diminished units in Shogun, like units that, through combat, have taken casualties? I can't seem to merge units or refill them. Is this a trick I haven't figured out yet? I can't even disband them I don't think.
In original Shogun you can only merge units if the total is less than 60. In MI/WE you can merge two units of any size and you can also disband units. To do this you select the army and then drag and drop the units individually in the bottom panel.
TheViking
08-14-2003, 02:31
Quote[/b] (Servius1234 @ Aug. 11 2003,22:37)]well, I just reinstalled the game, patched it to v 1.12 (no Mongul Invasion version, just plain old STW).
The order of the crash is now red box, black screen, error message citing a program fault with file shogun.icd, crash to desktop.
Also, I tried to reinstall DX 7.0 that came with STW, but windows jumped in, said that since I had a more recent version of DX no new files would be copied.
i had the exact same problem once, when i got my graphic card radeon 7000
what i had to do was to inactivate directdraw acceleration
to do that run dxdiag in the start menu.
hope this will help you
but if you do this it wont be playable as it was before, it wasnt for me.
heres the main problems i got, but learned to play with them cus i like stw realy much.
i cant see if it rains
i cant see which unit my gen is on the screen, i have to double click on the small pic to locate him.
i cant use mouse look, i have to controll camera with numb-lock keys
however, all thsoe problems got fixed after i installed windos xp, but since my pc wont work ok with xp i had to install me again.
i use dx 9.0a and it work fine
Vik
Yeah Vik, you and I have the same problem with this 3D Acceleration problem/dual-monitor ability problem.
I got my fingers crossed for the Warlords Edition, cause disabling and enabling these DirectX setting every time I want to play a game, and not being able to wield the camera very well, I can't imagine coreographing battles involving more than about 5 units. It's just not tollerable.
Quote[/b] ]Quote (Servius1234 @ Aug. 12 2003,19:58)
By the way, a gameplay question, what do you do with diminished units in Shogun, like units that, through combat, have taken casualties? I can't seem to merge units or refill them. Is this a trick I haven't figured out yet? I can't even disband them I don't think.
In original Shogun you can only merge units if the total is less than 60. In MI/WE you can merge two units of any size and you can also disband units. To do this you select the army and then drag and drop the units individually in the bottom panel.
Also in WE you can retrain units back to full strength. Cost seems to based on the number of men that need to be replaced i.e. a 30 man archer would cost 150 koku to put back to 60.
Also you can retrain even full strength units in a region with armory/swordsmith and you get the equipment upgrades for free.
TheViking
08-14-2003, 06:36
Servius I can play MI and WE without any problems.
Vik
oh that's good news, on both fronts. WE should be here in another few days, so I'll let you all know what luck I have.
P
IT WORKS
IT WORKS
MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
Yeah, so the Warlords Edition works perfectly, no video or sound conflicts at all, no having to fool around with Direct3D Acceleration or anything, it ran just fine right after installation.
Thanks all for your help, hopefully this makes you all feel vindicated and good too.
Gregoshi
08-20-2003, 06:31
And there was much rejoicing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Kraellin
08-20-2003, 19:21
why do i feel like we just solved a mystery with a mystery ;) glad ya got it goin :)
K.
I'm guessing here, but the most likely explanation is that support for more modern Raedon cards (and probably other hardware) was included in the expansion pack. I don't remember seeing any documentation on that, but several people have said they have my card, or one just like it, and had the same problem with Shogun but no problem at all with the expansion so...
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