Are certain Factions more prone to large rebellion

[Brown Wolf]

I noticed something interesting (in either the medieval totalwar or the expansion) that when I took scotland as the english I did not have much trouble with large rebellion. However, when I took scotland as the danish I had several large rebellion. Do certain factions have a tendency to have large rebellions in certain territories?

[ShadesWolf]

HRE is every province http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

I believe loyalty is effected by distance from the king.
You might need to have a chain of ships from the province the king is in to scotland, also are the garrisons the same size?

[Nowake]

You definitely need a chain of ships. Try changing the governor.

[NewJeffCT]

I have played 3 or 4 campaigns as the English, one as the Polish, one as the Spanish, two as the Byzantines, two as the Italians and one as each of the Muslim factions. I am currently in the middle of one as the HRE. One thing I have noticed is that the HRE is very prone to civil war/rebellion. I have never had a problem with Scotland as the English, but had quite a few when I took it over as the Polish (including 3 years in a row in the 1290s, the last year the rebellion was led by William Wallays.) And, this was even after I had a chain of ships from Prussia, Pomerania, Norway & Sweden to the North Sea and to Scotland…I have also noticed that Portugal is quite rebellious as well, no matter who owns it.

Of course that Pope guy is pretty rebellious if you wipe him out, as are the Sicilians as well.

[The_Emperor]

The HRE is very open to rebellion because of the way its rulers are "elected" instead of always following one dynasty which is "appointed by God".

All it takes is for someone who lost out in the elections to contest the results and civil war will happen.

Of course the advantage of these "Elections" is that the faction cannot be wiped out through assassination because ordinary Generals can be appointed Emperor, only by wiping them off the map with brute force.

The other factions seem to be the same when it comes to discontent, its the Holy Roman Empire that has it worse than the rest

[Brown Wolf]

I have never really had a problem with rebellion in my provences when playing the HRE. Though I have noticed that I have not had the swiss appear yet. How do the swiss appear anyway?

[solypsist]

there are a few provinces that seem to be more susceptible to rebellion, and either require more of a garrison than usual or lower taxes than usual.

by now I think everyone has noticed how capricious Portugal is, as is Scotland.

these are, of course, holdable (did I just invent that word?) but you can expect severe loyalty drops of a higher degree than your other lands.

[NewJeffCT]

Quote[/b] (Brown Wolf @ Aug. 22 2003,10:49)]I have never really had a problem with rebellion in my provences when playing the HRE. Though I have noticed that I have not had the swiss appear yet. How do the swiss appear anyway?
I believe the Swiss appear in the 1300s in the Late era - they come fully armed with Pikemen, Halberdiers and Swiss Armoured Pikemen. As the HRE right now in the High era, I like Swiss halberds a lot more than regular halberds.

[ShadesPanther]

Lithuania, Latvia and Finland are very rebellious. Dunno why you would want Finland or Latvia but anyway.

[Brown Wolf]

Quote[/b] (solypsist @ Aug. 22 2003,11:46)]there are a few provinces that seem to be more susceptible to rebellion, and either require more of a garrison than usual or lower taxes than usual.

by now I think everyone has noticed how capricious Portugal is, as is Scotland.

these are, of course, holdable (did I just invent that word?) but you can expect severe loyalty drops of a higher degree than your other lands.
grrr.......portugal is VERY rebellious. many times I have to keep adding troops there. I have not had too many problems with the engish controlling scotland though.

[Brown Wolf]

Quote[/b] (NewJeffCT @ Aug. 22 2003,12:56)]
Quote[/b] (Brown Wolf @ Aug. 22 2003,10:49)]I have never really had a problem with rebellion in my provences when playing the HRE. Though I have noticed that I have not had the swiss appear yet. How do the swiss appear anyway?
I believe the Swiss appear in the 1300s in the Late era - they come fully armed with Pikemen, Halberdiers and Swiss Armoured Pikemen. As the HRE right now in the High era, I like Swiss halberds a lot more than regular halberds.
oddly enough several times the swiss don't appear when I control that region. is there something that sets them off?

[Qilue]

Yes, a rebellion. Same applies to the Burgundians.

On the subject of cival wars. My most recent game, I saw something which I had assumed was impossible, having played many many times.

A Papal cival war.

[ShadesPanther]

I've never seen that and it sunds rather odd although I'm sure it had happened to the pope a few times IRL

[Jeanne d'arc]

Make sure u install a gouvernor with much dread and keep the province ocupied with a large force for at least 5 year.After that take 30% of the force u had and hold the rest in the province and keep the loyalty higher then 150%.

As the Spanish i wassent fast enough to control portugal from the start cause i had to much trouble trying to take Cordoba from the Almohads, the almo soon invaded portugal wich was a very expensive mistake for them to make as they was getting rebellion after rebellion.The rebellions weakened there position in Cordoba that allowed me to take it from them.Funny part is when i defeated them in Cordoba they all fled to portugal where the almohad king digged his own grave cause there was no return possible to marocco anymore http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.After a few rebellions i invaded them and took portugal and its weak almohad army.

[Kristaps]

A few spies can pacify even the most rebellious province... 6+ spies can give you 200 loyalty in Portugal even with a no-dread governor and a 100 peasant strong garnison.

[Brown Wolf]

Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ Aug. 24 2003,15:47)]I've never seen that and it sunds rather odd although I'm sure it had happened to the pope a few times IRL
And what about the papal empire?

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[Brown Wolf]

Quote[/b] (Jeanne d'arc @ Aug. 24 2003,18:56)]Make sure u install a gouvernor with much dread and keep the province ocupied with a large force for at least 5 year.After that take 30% of the force u had and hold the rest in the province and keep the loyalty higher then 150%.

As the Spanish i wassent fast enough to control portugal from the start cause i had to much trouble trying to take Cordoba from the Almohads, the almo soon invaded portugal wich was a very expensive mistake for them to make as they was getting rebellion after rebellion.The rebellions weakened there position in Cordoba that allowed me to take it from them.Funny part is when i defeated them in Cordoba they all fled to portugal where the almohad king digged his own grave cause there was no return possible to marocco anymore http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.After a few rebellions i invaded them and took portugal and its weak almohad army.
What I hate is when Portugal has so many rebellions and then the Almohads re-emerge. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif