zeal

[tuopaolo]

Does anyone know how zeal interacts with religious rebellions and excommunication? I know that if your Catholic population has high zeal and your governor or King has low zeal that the chance for a rebellion is higher, but what I don't know is:

1. Does the zeal of the non-Catholic population affect the chance of a rebellion (when your faction is Catholic)?

2. Does the zeal of the population affect how they react to your being excommunicated?

3. Does the zeal of the Christian population in a Muslim-controled province affect the chance of a Christian rebellion in that province?

[sprucemoose]

a bit off the subject,but i found if you build alot of churches right away you get quite alot of florins off his holiness.

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[motorhead]

1. don't know
2. in my experience higher zeal provinces do tend do get lower loyalty when you get excommed. but, high zeal provinces tend to give your generals religious virtues like zealot, pious, etc. which for governors makes the population happier so it tends to be a wash as your governors get the virtues.
3. don't know

[LestaT]

Well.. depend on which faction i choose, before i invade a province which is different religion the i send missionaries first for maybe about 10 years and send assasins to kill their. For example if i'm playing catholic and plan to conquered provinces held by orthodox then i send bishop or cardinals first until the ratio is about 50-50. Then i send my armies to invade. After i hold control then i usually place my spy there. For troublesome provinces like scotland, portugal, peromenia etc, i usually leave quite large armies while i built churches for few years. This usually stops any attemp on rebellion.

Can't do it with the pope's province though. Any idieas ?

ps/ if i'm not mistaken if you play as a moslem faction and you conquered the papapy then the reemergence took quite a long time unlike the catholic faction. Most probably because all the catholics there has been converted so nobody need a pope anymore? Any comment ?

[LestaT]

Quote[/b] (LestaT @ Sep. 10 2003,06:33)]Well.. depend on which faction i choose, before i invade a province which is different religion the i send missionaries first for maybe about 10 years and send assasins to kill their. For example if i'm playing catholic and plan to conquered provinces held by orthodox then i send bishop or cardinals first until the ratio is about 50-50. Then i send my armies to invade. After i hold control then i usually place my spy there. For troublesome provinces like scotland, portugal, peromenia etc, i usually leave quite large armies while i built churches for few years. This usually stops any attemp on rebellion.

Can't do it with the pope's province though. Any idieas ?

ps/ if i'm not mistaken if you play as a moslem faction and you conquered the papapy then the reemergence took quite a long time unlike the catholic faction. Most probably because all the catholics there has been converted so nobody need a pope anymore? Any comment ?
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[ToranagaSama]

I believe you may be confusing Piety (represented on the parchments as little Crosses) with Zeal.

Piety does effect Rebellions, especially when a Faction has been excommunicate which is represented by little broken Crosses.

Zeal on the other hand is only represented by the percentage shown when you right click a Province, and its effect has little to do with Rebelliousness, BUT rather it represents how a province may be effected when a Cursade passes through.

A high level of Zeal will result in a high percentage of troops defecting to join the Crusade adding to its numbers. A low level of Zeal will result in fewer troops joining the Crusade.

So, as example, if you have/need a larger number of troops to guard a border, say a Full Stack; and that province has a high level of Zeal, say 75%, then when the Crusade arrives in that province to pass-thru, then a good number of your troops will leave with the Crusade. I'm not sure what percentage, or if the percentage that leaves directly correlates to the Zeal percentage, but you could lose as much as 50% of the Stack leaving your border, perhaps, dangerously low on troops.

Zeal really doesn't effect Loyalty.

Religion represented by Piety has an effect if say, you have a High level Piety province with a Govenor with a Low level of Piety.

(I can't remember the last time I had a Religious rebellion, so I'm recall from deep memory http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) Such a situation *may* be worth keeping an eye on, but I often have this situation with no negative result, but then probably out of habit developed long ago do the things necessary to forestall such a rebellion.

The situation described above, is certainly necessary to counter-act, if a oppossing religious Agent appears (especially multiple ones) and your Home religion begins to decline in percentage.

This *may* be particularly dangerous, if, additionally, your King has a Low level of Piety; AND the situation is defintely DIRE, if additionally, the Pope excommunicates your faction. All of the above in effect WILL result in a Religious rebellion.

Religious rebellions MOST often occur post-Excommunication

So, the best bet is to NEVER get excommunicated; and/or if you need to do something that will result in excommunication, then I suggest planning/timing the action. For instance, check the age of the Pope *if* he has just a few years left to live, then the risk of Rebellion (or Crusade against you) is GREATLY reduced, as in a short time the Pope will be dead and the excommunication will be removed.

~ ToranagaSama