Assassins get bonus in Syria ???

[Revenant69]

Ok after obtaining the marvelous MTW info pack by frogbeastegg and Bushface I read it briefly and something cought my eye.

It said that supposedly Assassins get valour bonus in Syria. I thought to myself - that cant be, it doesnt say so on the province info screen (it gives the bonus to Nizaris IIRC). There must be a mistake.

Well, i decided to try it out in my current Turkish campaign. I built a tavern, built first Syrian assassin. And OH MY GOD he came out with 2 stars LAter when i started upgrading the tavern i kept getting better assassins. How the hell....... I mean how did someone figure this out?

Is it another one of those "features" (lol i mean bugs)?? or was it meant to be and just not printed on the province info sheet cuz it already gave a bonus to other unit? Whatever the case may be, I must thanks the creators of the above said MTW info pack because now i think of Syria not as just a good strategic location but of also its use at training super-assassins.

Needless to say that after discovering this I rushed back to read the unit list provided in the MTW info pack and discovered that apparently Bulgaria gives a valour bonus to the Jannisary Heavy Infantry. I mean, Holy SH*T... I am playing Turks too, unfortunately Bulgaria was one of my frontier provinces and hence scarcely developed. Hahhaha not anymore http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif The construction of castles and Citadels commenced immediately.

My advice to everyone who hasnt downloaded/obtain this info pack yet is : Do it NOW or live in the dark and suffer.

Cheers.
Rev

PS Once again i would like to thank frogbeastegg and Bushface for creating this pack. Also my thanks go to SeljukSinan who helped me obtain it.

[hrvojej]

Some provinces give bonuses to two unit types, yet only one unit type is listed in game. You can check it in the crusader_unitprod file, using the Gnome editor (obtainable here at the Org in the Downloads section).
Why do assassins get two stars, I don't understand however, unless two stars for agents count as one increment in valour. This does not seem to be the case with ships, and I don't remember whether it was the case with inquisitors.

[Revenant69]

Quote[/b] ]Some provinces give bonuses to two unit types, yet only one unit type is listed in game

Yeah i thought that was the reason. I'll try using the Gnome editor to see the bonuses (I wasnt into modding so i never looked at this kind of stuff). Thanks again.

[Shahed]

Hey Rev,

That's great info. I am sure a lot of people don;t know that unless they been looking in the text files. Thanks for the heads up. Wow Assasin with +2 stars http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Just TRY to imagine what is gonna happen now (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=24;t=9495;st=50)
http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/images/mtwscreenshots/viorgposts/asassin1.jpg

ROFL

Pssst: Hope you get those JHI ready by the time the Mongols arrive. hehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Revenant69]

Hey Seljuk I remember reading about Thorbjorn the Priest waaay back - it was really hilarious. So yes by training fully upgraded assasins in Syria one can achieve the same effect as the "Priest" lol. I just cant believe that I never knew about this double bonus.

Unfortuantely i dont think that I will have Bulgarian JHI b4 the Horde arrives. But the JHI from Istanbul (hehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ) should provide ample thrashing to the Mongols.

PS If you have any more interesting replays then send them my way - i enjoy watching other ppl and learn from their mistakes and victories:) And oh oh oh... what did you think of my battle at Nicea ??? (if you watched it)

[Shahed]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif I'm gonna watch it now, sorry. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwars.net/forum/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif

EDIT: Umm actualy I watched it already. It;s the one I received last week, or beginnin gof this week. I will watch it again (I remember some spearmen and AHC) I'll post in the other thread about it.

[Revenant69]

LOL no prob Seljuk, you dont have to rush to view it. I do look forward to your opinion of my tactics in that battle. Imagine a sponge that sucks in water, well i am the same way with information. I hunger for it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I have one question for you. Should i make a thread stating all the double bonus provinces so that it is readily available to the Org community (it would help to sticky it too)? I'm gonna go and do some research on it right now anyway.

Cheers

[Shahed]

Hey dude. I think the problem with getting stickies is that the moderatpr has to copy and paste every single post in a thread and add it to a new sticky thread. I think that is the way it works, I am not sure though. If it is just press a button and the thread gets stickied then it's easy enough. But wwe don't see that many stickies so maybe it's the former option.

I'd suggest contacting Tosa Inu or a mod and asking them. You could maybe write your post and send it to an admin or mod to be stickied, or you could add it in another sticky....gonnna watch replay now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Revenant69]

Im just gonna make a new post about it, i will also contact the mods at some point tonight or tomorrow to see if it would be possible to sticky it.

[Shahed]

I just watched the replay. Totally awesome I'll post in the other thread about it. soon-ish.

[RZST]

hmm doesnt the game announce it? i mean, the old man of the mountains thing o.o

[Mount Suribachi]

That is interesting....


So as England, you could crusade your way to syria, then if you built all the assassin valour enhancing building (bawdyhouse or whatever they're called) so you'd get +2 valour from your buildings, +1 (or +2?) valour from Syria then churn out stack of assasins till you get Guy of Gisbourne (or is it Robin of Lockesley? One of 'em) who is a 5 star assassin, giving you an 8 or 9 star assassin http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Course, he'd still be captured and killed the second he goes near the all seeing eye of the watchtower... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Kraxis]

Interesting... never knew the strategic units could get a bonus (despite the official line).

But take a count on how many units that get a bonus in Tripoli. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[NewJeffCT]

I had thought I had seen that message once in Syria... but, I've tried it several times since and never got the message. So, I figured I was mistaken. I guess I was not.

[Revenant69]

Quote[/b] ]I had thought I had seen that message once in Syria... but, I've tried it several times since and never got the message. So, I figured I was mistaken. I guess I was not.

I am not sure if the Assassin bonus in Syria is inherent to Muslim factions only or to all factions. I guess I will have to test this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Fragony]

At a certain point in the game you get the 'old man of the mountains' message. From then you can build kick-ass assasins.

[Shahed]

Well I tried starting a new Turk campaign and speeded to build a tavern. The first assasin I popped out had 2 stars.

So it works, that's for sure.

[hrvojej]

Quote[/b] (Revenant69 @ Sep. 04 2003,11:24)]I am not sure if the Assassin bonus in Syria is inherent to Muslim factions only or to all factions. I guess I will have to test this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
All factions get it.

[Mount Suribachi]

2 stars???

Holy schmoley So is anyone in a position as the English to build assassins in Syria and get themselves a nice 9 star assassin?

[Shahed]

It should work.

And that guy will be Legendary Geisha of MTW. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Shahed]

Damm and I never knew this the best one I had was like 6 stars I believ. He started at 1 star , took ages to get to 6, mostly luck that he survived i guess. Then ofc he got killed by a border fort http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Qilue]

I'te been interesting reading this thread with all the misconceptions. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Ok, the valour bonus in Syria doesn't add stars. At least it never has with my assassins. What I've found it does do is make them less likely to be caught by a border fort. At 7 stars and higher, a syrian assassin can sit in a province with a border fort and conduct an annual Papal election* with virtually no chance of being caught.

They do still get caught, just not as often as standard assassins.

* My last game as Turks, I had to stop at XLIV because the numbers only go up to L and I wasn't sure what would happen when Nicholas L died.

EDIT -
If when training, an assassin fails, any other assassin or spy in the province gains experience the same as if they had stopped a foreign assassin. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Shahed]

I think you must have read my post in which I mentioned the results of producing an assasin in Syria. It was exactly like Rev pointed out, +2 starting star. Which seems to indicate that this info is correct. Or do all assasins in every place start with 2 stars ?

Any valor 7 assasin can sit under the Papal toilet and he won't feel the sword, or what hit him except the ceiling when he does hit that with his head. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif That is the same for all valor 7 - 9 assasins not just those produced in Syria.

[Qilue]

I don't have VI, so my post is referencing MTW 1.1.