Anyone else notice that generals dont gain

[Galestrum]

first my king doesnt always lead my armies and now i notice my generals dont gain command stars for victories, im afraid to play anymore, lest i notice anything else buggy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[RZST]

how about the 56-year bug?, almost every game i play most of the catholic factions either a.civil war, then die b.just die out because of no heir. this leads to 1 to 2 major factions and me a small ass country http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[A.Saturnus]

I`m pretty sure, some of my generals did get stars for winning battles.

[Galestrum]

I played about (6) hours of the VI campaign, and fought dozens of battles, not one of my generals or kings gained a single star http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[Yoko Kono]

mebbe because they didnt win enough battles?

what rank were the generals to start with and how many battles did they win and what vices and virtues did they have?

[Cebei]

As far as I know generals gain stars in accordance with their valors. And they gain valors for killing non-routing enemy units on melee. I guess you got many archers and pepper the troops before your melee troops can fight, so the enemy runs away and you gain no star??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[RisingSun]

Generals gain stas for VICTORIES, not kills. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Oaty]

I also believe that beating a bunch of 1 and 2 start generals doesnt help raise those stars much. Whereas going against a bunch of 6 star generals will quickly raise your status

[Galestrum]

hehe, has anyone specifically played VI and seen if their generals gain stars?

Stars are gained from victories, I know why and how one gains stars I have been playing TW for years now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif but regardless of my general being a no star or a 7 star versus a peasant moron general or vs alexander none of my generals have gained a star, even after winning numerous victories http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif just asking if anyone else has noticed, or will play and see if this is true, in case this is another bug....better to check now and hopefully get them to fix it then wait and go "hey...." http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[The Last Emperor]

Some of my generals have acheived victoies in a few close hard fought battles but its seems the only thing that increased are the units' valour at the end of the fight. Havent had any of my generals gaining a star yet...

[Yoko Kono]

im almost 100% certain my generals have gained stars but since you are veterans of both mtw and stw you obviously know how command stars work and you are making me doubt myself

im gonna go start a new game as the irish now and report back...

[Odyssey of War]

Stars are gained in the following fashion...

Generals Stars (Ranks)

Rank Net Victories
1 1
2 2
3 4
4 8
5 16
6 32
7 64
8 128

Basically this means that if you have a 3 star general to begin with, it will take at most 4 victories to obtain a 4 star general. Essentialy when your general comes into being, he has been assigned a certain number of victories, which translate into stars, so it may take 4 victories to get up to the 8 victories needed for 4 stars, or it may take less depending on how many victories he has when he comes into being. (I know thats a long sentence). I do not know of any way to find out how many victories he has when he comes into play.

[Yoko Kono]

yep recieving stars no bother started as the irish, invaded munster the rebles retreat then there is a rebellion whioch we fight out, my one star (courtesy of title) general gets promoted to 2 stars after a victory http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Galestrum @ Sep. 04 2003,21:48)]hehe, has anyone specifically played VI and seen if their generals gain stars?

Stars are gained from victories, I know why and how one gains stars I have been playing TW for years now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif but regardless of my general being a no star or a 7 star versus a peasant moron general or vs alexander none of my generals have gained a star, even after winning numerous victories http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif just asking if anyone else has noticed, or will play and see if this is true, in case this is another bug....better to check now and hopefully get them to fix it then wait and go "hey...." http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
I know what you're talking about, in IV there's a like of things that are different. It's not a bug, or, at least, no one has said the effect is unintentional.

I still trying to comprehend things, but it has to do with V&V. There are a number of V&V that will detract from a General's ability to gain "Stars" (Command).

It seems that V&V did not work "correctly" in pre-IV MTW. You recall all the parchments describing a given V&V and how it means - 1 Command or something similar, well now the consequences of V&V are FULLY effected.

So, for example, if your General has - 1 Command, I *PRESUME*, that a victory for that General only brings him back to ZERO, meaning he won't receive a "Star" (technically I suppose that he does, -1 +1 = 0.

The above isn't absolutely accurate (done from memory), but I believe it outlines things fairly well. So, its NOT another "bug", just a change from pre-IV MTW. Breathes a little life into V&V. Takes a little getting used to

That's the way I see it. Gotta pay attention to V&V.

[Mount Suribachi]

I know for a fact that in my Almohad Kaliphate PBEM game, my Kalipha went from a 5 star general to a 6 star general after he won a battle. I remember getting the little parchment saying he was now one of the greatest generals of the age.

[Rocket_Boy]

Haven't played VI for some time but I noticed that in battles that I personally fought and won, my generals would never gain stars or v+v's such as good attacker/defender. However in battles that I autoresolved, I would often get these kind of virtues. Not sure if I played enough to test this fully so it could just be coincidence. Can anyone confirm or deny?

[ChaosLord]

I can't deny wether its more often you get them auto-resolving, but you do still get them fighting personally. I've gotten a couple skilled defenders/attacker and skilled last stand in my past two games all in battles I fought myself.

[motorhead]

Played last night, VI, regular campaign. Most battles I don't see those good attacker/defender virtues, but in one 4 battle span i did get good defender and good attacker. Odds on defense were against me 2-1 but with 2 attackers. They beat up on each other first and I think i lost 4 or 5 men. When attacking, i outmaneuvered the egyptians, lured them out of the woods and surrounded them. Seems slightly increased chance of getting good virtue when you fight against the odds and do very well.

[Mount Suribachi]

I too can confirm that you do get the skilled attacker/deferder when you fight a battle manually. I got skilled defender & skilled last stand in one battle (see the Battle of Colomiers in the Almohad Caliphate, VI, thread in the throne room).

[Rocket_Boy]

Thanks for the info guys. However I would say that you do seem to get them more often when autoresolving in my opinion. Not sure why this should be.

[The Last Emperor]

I was playing the English yesterday and 1 of my general did managed to earn a star, the battle i fought was rather small scale but maybe the spanking on the AI and low casualty suffered by me did the trick?? Anyway, its seems that wif VI, generals sometimes get V&V from victories or defeats and not just them earning starts all the time.

[A.Saturnus]

Well, I think the original concern was if generals in VI campaign (dark age) earn stars other than by v&v`s. And yes they do. I tested it explicitly yesterday. I fought a battle as the Mercians with 100 Fyrdmen against the vikings with 12 berserkers. I did auto-calculation and my general won and got from 0-star to 1-star.
So there`s no evidence for a bug concerning gaining stars.

[MizuKokami]

i have seen some difficulty in gaining command stars from time to time with vi, but from some of the posts here i figured(or think i figured) out why. haveing a four star general who takes up drinking, dropping him to a 3 star, he's not really a 3 star, he's a four star minus one. so. in order for him to get back up to 4 stars, he would have to win the number of victories it would take to get him to 5. sadly, by then he's a sever alcoholic. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[lancer63]

The last stage of alcoholism in MTW gives back the stars to your general but leaves him vulnerable to attack either from assasins or in battle, which means he's no longer Jedi. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I have v&vless generals that win their first battle, get 'scant mercy' but no star. Other times they do get their star. Is this a bug or you have to defeat a certain number of enemies per battle too in order to be promoted? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[motorhead]

Quote[/b] ]I have v&vless generals that win their first battle, get 'scant mercy' but no star. Other times they do get their star. Is this a bug or you have to defeat a certain number of enemies per battle too in order to be promoted?

It depends on what command level your general starts with. A zero star general will always get a star with his first victory. A new unit with a 2-star general essentially starts with 2 victories, so he'll need 2 more wins to get his 3rd star. See the earlier post above that lists how many victories are needed to gain each command level.

edit: It seems bribed generals, no matter their command level, always get another star after their first victory. Anyone else ever notice this?