Has anyone made new highland clansmen textures?

[Tatsumaru Rokkaku]

just wanted to know if anyone has made any new textures or units for Scotland,...i don't like how they were presented in MTW, they look like peasants with a round shield.

Someone should make them with quilts and broadswords/axes, just like in the movie Braveheart http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Duke John]

Give me 100$ and you will have them within a week. Or if this request is made by many, I'll do it for free. I'm on the roll you know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

Cheers, Duke John

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (Tatsumaru Rokkaku @ Sep. 09 2003,14:48)]just wanted to know if anyone has made any new textures or units for Scotland,...i don't like how they were presented in MTW, they look like peasants with a round shield.

Someone should make them with quilts and broadswords/axes, just like in the movie Braveheart http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
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I answered this question when you posted it in the Entrance Hall.

Either you did'nt read my response or you percieve me to be a lier

Which is it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Duke John]

Quote[/b] ]Either you did'nt read my response or you percieve me to be a lier


I demand a poll on this issue

[ShadesPanther]

Highlanders are peasants so I don't really see a problem with the current ones. Unless alot of people demand it

[Knight_Yellow]

Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ Sep. 09 2003,21:36)]Highlanders are peasants so I don't really see a problem with the current ones. Unless alot of people demand it
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surely peasents that won against proffesional soldiery many times deserves better than the normal peasant unit image with a tiny adjustment.

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Sep. 09 2003,15:47)]
Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ Sep. 09 2003,21:36)]Highlanders are peasants so I don't really see a problem with the current ones. Unless alot of people demand it
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surely peasents that won against proffesional soldiery many times deserves better than the normal peasant unit image with a tiny adjustment.
KY,

Please allow me to remind you that 8 months ago your opinion of the BA's Gurkha Brigade of Guards was cannon fodder for the British Army.

Any individual who fails to recognise the qualities of 21c units has absolutely no ability to either recognise or differentiate the relative merits, or lack of, troop qualilty inherent in the armed forces of certain nations several centuries ago.

Therefore, any opinion you hold, pertaining to the professionalism or otherwise of military units, past or present, is ... er ... sadly lacking.

Welly

(BTW: You being a Scot, I never forgave you for calling Gurkhas the cannon fodder of the BA - maybe when you are a bit older you'll understand)

[TenkiSoratoti]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Sep. 09 2003,15:47)]
Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ Sep. 09 2003,21:36)]Highlanders are peasants so I don't really see a problem with the current ones. Unless alot of people demand it
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

surely peasents that won against proffesional soldiery many times deserves better than the normal peasant unit image with a tiny adjustment.
Don't you dare push it, i'm pumping up for a massive flame war here.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I had enough of all your lip, (adopts cockney accent) All of you, outside, NOW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ Sep. 09 2003,16:21)]I had enough of all your lip, (adopts cockney accent) All of you, outside, NOW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
'nuff said.

I'm catching the next flight to Heathrow. Duke Dick has asked me if he can come as well. I said 'yes, of course'

Er ...

... can he be on your side? Please

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

He scares me, please not Duke Dick http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Tatsumaru Rokkaku]

hahaha lol,...

sorry wellington, i didn't ignore you, i just wanted to see the responses when i post it in the Dungeon...

Well, i was just askin a curious question,..cuz i don't know bout the rest of you but i like to see some kind of variety with all the units...i don't like seeing the same models for every unit,...thats why it was easy for me to get sick of STW...hehehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[barocca]

thats 12 frames of 24 images each frame, 288 images,
PLUS you need 3 complete sets, one for high res, (unit_H.bif), one for medium res (unit.bif) and for ultra low res (unit.lbm), thats 864 images,

the images in each bif/lbm must match each other exactly for pose, relative location within the file and movement,

they also have to be "meshed" to give a seamless transition between frames,

further they have to be coloured carefully, variour colours trigger faction colour overlay, which will ruin an image if the overlay crops up in the wrong place,

next you need to write the actions pages, weapon and shield co-ordinates, then determine the deadpage co-ordinates,

lastly 864 images, plus weapons and shields have to be "merged" into a 256 colour pallette,

not something that is approached lightly...

I think it's not likely to be done unless someone who knows how to do all those things gets a bee in their bonnet about it,
and currently 75% of the people who do know how are buried neck deep in other modding projects...

we do have here all the information, tips and advice on exactly how to do that, if you're willing to have a crack at them your self,
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[NagatsukaShumi]

Personally I'd like to see Highland Clansmen looking a little bit more like Highland Clansmen than peasants (Where or not they were peasants in reality makes no difference to me, though I recognise that seen as Scotland is absent in the actual game there would be little point making a image for one single region specific unit).

Currently I have my Highland Clansmen sharing the ToplessLoon BIF just so they look a bit more rugged and highland looking, if anyone would like the files for that I'd be happy to send them your way, but I understand mostly everything I could do is inferior to a new image lol.

[Tatsumaru Rokkaku]

barocca,..perhaps i should try to learn the ways of the modders...one day i will become a great modder like Duke John,...now, how do i start?..

[Knight_Yellow]

Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Sep. 09 2003,22:07)]
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Sep. 09 2003,15:47)]
Quote[/b] (ShadesPanther @ Sep. 09 2003,21:36)]Highlanders are peasants so I don't really see a problem with the current ones. Unless alot of people demand it
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

surely peasents that won against proffesional soldiery many times deserves better than the normal peasant unit image with a tiny adjustment.
KY,

Please allow me to remind you that 8 months ago your opinion of the BA's Gurkha Brigade of Guards was cannon fodder for the British Army.

Any individual who fails to recognise the qualities of 21c units has absolutely no ability to either recognise or differentiate the relative merits, or lack of, troop qualilty inherent in the armed forces of certain nations several centuries ago.

Therefore, any opinion you hold, pertaining to the professionalism or otherwise of military units, past or present, is ... er ... sadly lacking.

Welly

(BTW: You being a Scot, I never forgave you for calling Gurkhas the cannon fodder of the BA - maybe when you are a bit older you'll understand)



hey i admire them and all but that doesnt change the fact that they do get used as cannon fodder.

i know gurkhas personaly cos they know my dad from when he was in the army. they train/fight/and serve well and i would put my life on the line to help them.

i like there style, hell i would fight alongside them but im not the guy who decides who gets used for what and where.

i loathed the fact that the british planners used them as cannon fodder NOT loathed the gurkhas, in any way

so this grudge youve been holding for months is all a big mistake.

[ShadesPanther]

I wasn't dissing the highlanders I was just saying that they lived like peasants exept they had a far more rugged lifestyle and had bravery beyond imagination. Personally I don't like how some units and that dont get included in british books eg 36th Division and also the Gurkhas no matter how decicated they are

[Tatsumaru Rokkaku]

what 3D program do most of you people use?

[Qilue]

Why not kitbash an existing animation.

The dervish used for ghazis has on a kind of kilt that doesn't appear to be an overlay colour. It's kind of a dull brown rather than pink or lime. With a little bit of modification, it could function as a highlander animation.

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Sep. 10 2003,14:10)]so this grudge youve been holding for months is all a big mistake.
I don't hold "grudges". What I actually said was I never forgave you, and considering you've just repeated the same accusation ...

... I still don't

[GreasePaintMonkeyBrains]

while you guys are at it could uses some roman archer bifs
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif for my mod............poke poke http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[barocca]

Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Sep. 11 2003,11:04)]
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Sep. 10 2003,14:10)]so this grudge youve been holding for months is all a big mistake.
I don't hold "grudges". What I actually said was I never forgave you, and considering you've just repeated the same accusation ...

... I still don't
ah, Welly, unfortunately British generals have a poor record when it comes to thoughtful deployment of colonial forces, the Gallipoli landings are one example very pertinent to my country,

For further examples may i suggest a review of the Somme offensive, where the leftmost assault was to be made against prepared positions that had recieved minimal softening up, the whole idea of that was to get the germans to reposition their forces to crush the "diversionary" offensive, the fact that the leftmost assault was a success, as far as such things went in Somme, is soley due to the commander of the Irish division DISOBEYING the british generals and ordering his men to
A: advance DURING the artillery barrage,
and
B: when the barrage lifted run like hell for the german lines,
The Irish had been ordered to :-
Wait for barrage to end,
Advance from trenches approximately 50 yards,
form orderly lines and then WALK in an ordely fashion towards the german lines,

Any criticism of British generalship when deploying colonial forces, be they gurkha's, indian, australians or what have you, is based entirely on the historical record.

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (barocca @ Sep. 12 2003,04:01)]
Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Sep. 11 2003,11:04)]
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Sep. 10 2003,14:10)]so this grudge youve been holding for months is all a big mistake.
I don't hold "grudges". What I actually said was I never forgave you, and considering you've just repeated the same accusation ...

... I still don't
ah, Welly, unfortunately British generals have a poor record when it comes to thoughtful deployment of colonial forces, the Gallipoli landings are one example very pertinent to my country,

For further examples may i suggest a review of the Somme offensive, where the leftmost assault was to be made against prepared positions that had recieved minimal softening up, the whole idea of that was to get the germans to reposition their forces to crush the "diversionary" offensive, the fact that the leftmost assault was a success, as far as such things went in Somme, is soley due to the commander of the Irish division DISOBEYING the british generals and ordering his men to
A: advance DURING the artillery barrage,
and
B: when the barrage lifted run like hell for the german lines,
The Irish had been ordered to :-
Wait for barrage to end,
Advance from trenches approximately 50 yards,
form orderly lines and then WALK in an ordely fashion towards the german lines,

Any criticism of British generalship when deploying colonial forces, be they gurkha's, indian, australians or what have you, is based entirely on the historical record.
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Gimme some time to write something.

We really arn't on different sides.

Bear with me ...

[ShadesPanther]

Quote[/b] ]The Ulster Division was one of those selected to make the initial assault. It was in X Corps, with 32nd Division - a New Army formation - on its right facing the height around the immensely fortified position of Thiepval, and the regular army 29th Division, recently arrived from Gallipoli, facing Beaumont Hamel on the other bank of the Ancre. The Ulster Division faced an uphill advance, with the objective of capturing a large strongpoint complex in the enemy lines, called the Schwaben redoubt.

The Division’s attack on 1 July 1916 has been covered by writers in immense detail, and has entered into Ulster folklore as a day of enduring memory. Overall the day was one of significant defeat for the British Army, when more than 57,000 men became casualties, of whom 20,000 were killed. However, it is often forgotten that three Divisions captured their objectives, and that several others while not doing so did perform exceptional feats. The Ulster Division was one of them: it captured and held for a considerable time the Schwaben Redoubt, despite virtually no progress being made by either Division on its flanks.

The Division was relieved on 2 July, having suffered 5,104 casualties of who approximately 2,069 died.

Volumes have been written about the Battle of the Somme, which continued until November 1916. The author of the 36th Divisional History, the noted military historian Cyril falls says this of it: “But – and of this there can be no shadow of doubt today – it laid the foundations of final victory. The German troops were never the same after it, while our young levies, dreadful as were their sacrifices, were to arrive at a far higher standard of military virtue”.



Thats the 36th Ulster Division on the Somme

[_Martyr_]

Quote[/b] (barocca @ Sep. 11 2003,18:01)]
Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Sep. 11 2003,11:04)]
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Sep. 10 2003,14:10)]so this grudge youve been holding for months is all a big mistake.
I don't hold "grudges". What I actually said was I never forgave you, and considering you've just repeated the same accusation ...

... I still don't
ah, Welly, unfortunately British generals have a poor record when it comes to thoughtful deployment of colonial forces, the Gallipoli landings are one example very pertinent to my country,

For further examples may i suggest a review of the Somme offensive, where the leftmost assault was to be made against prepared positions that had recieved minimal softening up, the whole idea of that was to get the germans to reposition their forces to crush the "diversionary" offensive, the fact that the leftmost assault was a success, as far as such things went in Somme, is soley due to the commander of the Irish division DISOBEYING the british generals and ordering his men to
A: advance DURING the artillery barrage,
and
B: when the barrage lifted run like hell for the german lines,
The Irish had been ordered to :-
Wait for barrage to end,
Advance from trenches approximately 50 yards,
form orderly lines and then WALK in an ordely fashion towards the german lines,

Any criticism of British generalship when deploying colonial forces, be they gurkha's, indian, australians or what have you, is based entirely on the historical record.
Ah yes, one of the best examples of both sides of the Ulster conflict actually working together, putting their differences asside, and realising that they had a lot more in common than what actually differed between them.

Needless to say, it was forgotten VERY quickly afterwards in the collective minds of both sides http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[ShadesPanther]

yes it was http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif some things just don't change http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Mechstra]

Quote[/b] ]Currently I have my Highland Clansmen sharing the ToplessLoon BIF just so they look a bit more rugged and highland looking, if anyone would like the files for that I'd be happy to send them your way, but I understand mostly everything I could do is inferior to a new image lol.

Please, no, the horror And the same in regard to the topic starter who wanted them to look more like they do in 'Braveheart', which is not the most... how shall I say... historically accurate of films.

Any .BIF that has them wearing a kilt is wrong too, as the unarmoured Highlanders would wear the plaid, while those with armour would wear leather and possibly chain.

I, personally, have no problem with the Highlanders' portrayal in the game.

[NagatsukaShumi]

I do know what Highlanders actually looked like, though I prefer them to look more rugged and Braveheart like anyway.