Hmm, which one? [Archive]

Sniper_guy

09-16-2003, 16:37

Ok, I have money in my pocket and a PC waiting for a half decent strategy game which it seems has to be a TW game cause they rock But which one? From my point of view, Shogun has big fights but is the oreintal style,Medevil has gr8 battles but rubbish graphics and Rome has only roman and greek bettles but fights and battles re gr8...

This is info from sites and reviews ive found but if you find the game otherwise than please say. Im sort of looking for a game with the time commanders programme (rubbish show, great game) with easy to use, good graphics,great battles and a range of different armies and battles to choose from.

So everyone, do you know any games like that which exist?
Any help is appreciated but hurry cos this cash is burning a hole in my pocket.

Mr Baine

09-16-2003, 16:55

I only have M:TW but R:TW isn't out yet, so if you want a game this year then your choices are limited again. I can't say much about S:TW (et al) because I don't have it, but I am enjoying M:TW, although I don't have VI so I can't comment on that. I would recommend M:TW though, in my opinion it's fantastic.

Dragon2003

09-16-2003, 17:31

I have Shogun Total War (Warlord) and Medieval Total War (not VI).

Shogun is better for the battles, as the campaign is to easy to beat, but i love the shogun total war units

Medieval is better if you like to use the map. There are plenty of seas you have to navigate around and the fact that you build different buidlings and stuff because of different cultures is brilliant.

Oh and if you get MTW, don't forget to try my Campaign Editor when its finished, as you will be able to make cool mods http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Bevan of Hertfordshire

09-16-2003, 18:25

Wierd i never thought of using the pause button *slaps head*

Damn you brain, you fool

Sniper_guy

09-16-2003, 19:10

Hmmm, seems were getting alot of good vibes from MTW... It seems to have all i ask for, good graphics, great battles, great armies... Hey, wait a sec, which armies do i use?

Oh and 1 more thing, on MTW can you have skirmishes (aka, set up a quick fight between 2 armies, no fancy scripts?

Sasaki Kojiro

09-16-2003, 19:29

Quote[/b] (Sniper_guy @ Sep. 16 2003,13:10)]Oh and 1 more thing, on MTW can you have skirmishes (aka, set up a quick fight between 2 armies, no fancy scripts?
Yes you can, that is the custom battle mode. You can have up to 8 armies if you wish http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

magnatz

09-16-2003, 19:31

Quote[/b] (Sniper_guy @ Sep. 16 2003,13:10)]Oh and 1 more thing, on MTW can you have skirmishes (aka, set up a quick fight between 2 armies, no fancy scripts?

Yes, MTW has a quick battle options that gives you a random army and puts you against a random enemy.

Great for training http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

EDIT: this is different from the custom battle, so basically you have two types of skirmish. Not bad at all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

ToranagaSama

09-16-2003, 19:45

I guess you may have figured out that Rome isn't out yet and won't be for quite some time.

TogakureOjonin's comments are right on.

Do not let graphics be a factor in your decision. The differenc between games are rather subjective.

There are 3 factors I think are worth considering in terms of which to buy first:

1) Cost, right know you from all reports you can pick up Shogun for Bargin Bin prices----a great steal.

2) The Breadth of the Campaign exceeds that of Shogun quite a bit. Consequently, EVERYONE, even experienced Shogun players are OVERWHELMED for a while with the details of micromanagement.

3) Multiplay for both games does not involve the Campaign only the battles, which makes it VERY much a RTS game. If you intend to get heavily into MP, then be aware that in each game the MP community is only a relatively small percentage of the greater community. Consequently, because of Shogun's age the community is very small. Finding players for Shogun MP will more of an effort than findin MTW MP players.

That said the battle AI is quite challenging for any Newbie.

Sooo, considering the above, I'd reccommend Shogun, because of price and, most importantly, its easier to get a handle on BOTH the Campaign and the Battles in Shogun. Just to highlight, with MTW you might spend a month being totally confused, while Shogun might take a week. This is just illustrative. Once you've got a handle and have had your fill of Shogun you can then move onto MTW; and there is a smaller, but dedicated Shogun community to assist you here at the Org.

Can someone answer the question because I don't recall. Do you need vanilla Shogun in order to install Mongol Invaison? In any event (read the box), and make sure to pick up both if need to play Shogun: Mongol Ivaison.

Good Luck

bighairyman

09-17-2003, 01:27

right now you can get warlord edition(shogun and mongol invasion) for less than $10 bucks. while Medieval may cost from $30 to $40 and i think VI is still $20-$30. so if you don't have enough money, go for warlord edtion. i really didn't like shogun much, probabaly due to buying it 6 months before medieval comes out and didn't play it enought, but i also suck at shogun battles. although shogun have richer music(janpanese) little assain movies.

but if you can wait let's see 1 more year. and have deep enough pockets, go for Rtw, it's gonna be even better than medieval AND shogun. at least i hope so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

by the way, does anyone know roughly when RYW will come out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Gregoshi

09-17-2003, 06:41

Welcome to the Org Sniper_guy.

Others have already covered the differences pretty well, so I've nothing to add.

Sniper_guy

09-17-2003, 07:39

Well, cost isnt an issue really and i was hoping for battles with joads of different armies, shogun is just a oreintal japan or chiniese style one. Where as medevil,(which i can find in the UK for £15&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif after putting some research into it i found that its not allout killing, its crusades, popes and kingdoms. If i could quote myself from earlier,

Quote[/b] ]Im sort of looking for a game with the time commanders programme (rubbish show, great game) with easy to use, good graphics,great battles and a range of different armies and battles to choose from.

That stuff and not much else really, i just want a main menu with a couple of campaigns,missions & a custom battle option instead of all this Civilization kingdom ruling style crud. Just a couple more questions though,

When is RTW gonna be released?
Is it worth waiting for RTW and if so what has it got to offer?
Is there any other games apart from TW (*TW gamers everywhere grabbing daggers & swords*) like these which are any good?

Texy

09-17-2003, 10:50

Quote[/b] (Sniper_guy @ Sep. 17 2003,01:39)]Well, cost isnt an issue really and i was hoping for battles with joads of different armies, shogun is just a oreintal japan or chiniese style one. Where as medevil,(which i can find in the UK for £15&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif after putting some research into it i found that its not allout killing, its crusades, popes and kingdoms. If i could quote myself from earlier,

Quote[/b] ]Im sort of looking for a game with the time commanders programme (rubbish show, great game) with easy to use, good graphics,great battles and a range of different armies and battles to choose from.

That stuff and not much else really, i just want a main menu with a couple of campaigns,missions & a custom battle option instead of all this Civilization kingdom ruling style crud. Just a couple more questions though,

When is RTW gonna be released?
Is it worth waiting for RTW and if so what has it got to offer?
Is there any other games apart from TW (*TW gamers everywhere grabbing daggers & swords*) like these which are any good?
I picked up m:tw & vi from Game for £30, as
a 2 for £30 special, otherwise each game is normally £19.99 each from there.
Texy

rory_20_uk

09-17-2003, 15:01

I'd not dismiss RTW as merely greeks and Romans. There are many other barbarian tribes in as well; and let's not forget that MTW has got a neopoleonic Mod, but because something is not there to start with, does not mean that they won't quickly be added.
RTW is the one game this year that I am going to get (and the graphics card to run it). The graphics look amazing, and I am sure that there will be many areas that have improved over MTW due to the amount of feedback that they receive. The fact that the map no longer has provinces is a major achievement, and I imagine will increase the replay value no end - as there is infinite possibility in the size and density of empires.
Even if this does sound like I am getting paid to advertise, I think that they deserve some hyperbole after the first two games http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Sniper_guy

09-17-2003, 18:52

Hmmm,suppose it sounds good, does anyone have the heads up on when RTW coming out?

Oaty

09-18-2003, 03:30

Well for only 10 bucks US you can get STW Warlords edition then go onto MTW when you are done and hopefully the price will have fallen to about 20 bucks and if you buy MTW now you will pay about 30 bucks. This way you have a chance toget both for the price of 1. 1 thing though unless you plan on buying online goodluck on finding STW in stores although I think its still possible

Sniper_guy

09-18-2003, 07:18

Ahhh, dollars, im guessing your american or something? Well im from the UK (That little country near france always backing you up & getting games later than you lot&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Meaning you can still find on the shelves, hell, you could even find it in magazine budget review section at 90%, also its just a tenner

econ21

09-18-2003, 12:03

Sniper_guy - don't be put off by what you describe as civilisation type crud. If you just want to command armies and fight battles, there is still no engine to rival total war.

The engine has two parts:
1) a turn-based strategic map where you pay for buildings, recruit troops and move armies between provinces (eg England is 3 provinces). You may consider this civilisation type cru, but if you like you can just pump out an army and go invade someone. This level of the game is ok, but not outstanding - eg diplomacy is limited - but it gives you a decent strategic AI and a reason to care about the tactical battles.

2) a real-time tactical map where you control up to 16 units. To me, this is the heart of the game - the battles are effectively sophisticated wargames with modifiers for a wide range of factors (weapons, armour, troop quality, leadership, facing, formation, elevation, terrain, weather, fatigue, etc etc). There's nothing else that can be compared with it, IMO. The tactical AI is pretty decent as computer games go.

I tend to enjoy the civilisation type aspects (although I am not that keen on Civilisation as a game) and find, if anything, that circumstances compel me to spend rather more time fighting battles than I might like. But it is the battles that make MTW such an amazing game.

As to STW vs MTW, MTW has more variety - both in terms of units and strategic options. The tactical battles are very similar in essence, but I find the strategic level more interesting in MTW. STW does have nice atmosphere and flavour, though.

Sniper_guy

09-18-2003, 13:10

Ok, maybe i other reacted a bit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif But here's the £mil dollar question, Should I wait for Rome:total war (Early 2004) or get MTW?

Ok people, place your votes please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

econ21

09-18-2003, 13:18

Well - if you can get it for £15 and, as you say, that money is burning a hole in your pocket, go for it. It's a great game - one of the best computer games ever. And Spring 2004 seems an awful long way off.

Even if you don't like it, you'll probably save yourself £15 as you will know not to buy RTW for £30 when it comes out (it will have similar gameplay but better graphics).

Conversely, if you wait for RTW and love it, I imagine it would be very hard to go back and accept MTW (which may look graphically too inferior).

brent_james

09-18-2003, 21:53

Sometimes I prefer Shogun because it runs much smoother than Medieval. I can run battles in Shogun with many more units than I can in Medieval, without the game bogging way down.

The_Emperor

09-18-2003, 22:04

I say get BOTH http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

They are both great games, but Shogun is the predecessor of Medieval, so it lacks some of the fun features of Crusades Inquisitors... and the Pope

Oh yes and the Arrival of the Mongol Horde in the east on one fateful day...

If you had to choose between them, Buy Medieval, it has a few more features than Shogun and a lot more factions to play as with a great many units... It will keep you going for ages

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Sniper_guy

09-19-2003, 13:06

Hmmm, [I]*Sniper's brain attempting to process all the information* [I*] Well, its not that im ignoring your info but i have a couple of new games anyway to keep me occupied and aint bothered about the wait, but ill see how the money goes cause as simon rightly said, if i want both then its at least £45 Hmm, does ANYONE have any info on RTW's exact release date & ups & downs compared to other games? But this is getting so hard to work out i might get the new game Evil genius for Jan-Feb...

Do not fear fellow debaters, this topic WILL end soon enough http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Drucius

09-19-2003, 13:33

Jeez, if I was you, i'd run out and buy Shogun Warlord edition this minute (it just came out on budget). Then when you've played that for a bit you'll be GAGGING to play 'Medieval' and then you'll be SCREAMING to play 'Rome'. Forget 'evil genius', Shogun/Medieval is not just one of the best strategy games ever made, it's one of the best games *ever*.

I'm not kidding.

ToranagaSama

09-19-2003, 14:15

Sounds like you're more a straight RTS player. I'd suggest you try a different game; or just play MP.

Sniper_guy

09-20-2003, 08:24

Orr man I knew this would happen, equal votes for all the games Well, thanks for all your help, ill keep it all in mind, i think the final verdict is gonna be wait and get RTW. (Good things come to those who wait...)

Sorry for the people who have advised against RTW that i chose it.
Finally, All of u remember if your choosing a game and dont know which out of a bit of a list POST IT ON THE FORUMS, YOULL GET ONE HELL OF A REPLY

pdoan8

09-20-2003, 09:07

What kind of RTS game do you like?

If you are much more into the empire building game. You love micromanaging you empire. You like conquering the world using diplomatic resolution (accompany by force, of course) and such, you might be disappointing about strategy part of TW series. The exciting part of the TW series is RT tactical battles. Quite real battles sometimes. Managing you empire is only there to give you a break from the battles and to add a little story to the campaign (so it won't be too boring and meaningless).

For that, I would recommend STW:WE. I will repeat a few reasons others have posted:

- The price.
- Simplicity of the strategy part (so you won't get annoyed), but that doesn't mean it is not fun.
- Simplier army structure so you won't get confused.
- Very good battles. Quite easy to learn but pretty hard to master (if you want MP).
- Good game atmosphere.

Marshal Murat

09-21-2003, 03:35

I say get MTW and then VI and get all the mods and such. You have some time to build up that money stockpile. The mods are some of the best parts to MTW and VI. They enhance the game even when you beat it thousands of times. Don't save for RTW it won't come out until the summer.

bighairyman

09-21-2003, 03:58

Quote[/b] (Sniper_guy @ Sep. 18 2003,07:10)]Ok, maybe i other reacted a bit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif But here's the £mil dollar question, Should I wait for Rome:total war (Early 2004) or get MTW?

Ok people, place your votes please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
sorry, man the offical date of release is FALL of 2004. so i think you should just go and buy MTW:VI and wait for 1 more year http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

Sniper_guy

09-22-2003, 13:16

Hmm, I think im gonna get MTW:VI first (Changing my mind... AGAIN) and then the evil genius later. Im alright at strategy and really want a xtremely large battles with millions of different, then read some reviews for RTW when it comes out and c how it goes from there

Mental note: This forum always gives gr8 replies

Scipio

09-23-2003, 03:49

I must say you sure bring down the games but if you were to get just one Rome Total war if you don't like just roman era the mod it they say it is gonna be easier to mod. Otherwise if you have enouph money and space on your comp the get em all that is what my set up is and Im lovin it. It's like re-writing history in every important era http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif