View Full Version : El Cid killed my emissary!!
Mount Suribachi
09-23-2003, 18:44
Was just messing around playing as the spanish, sent an emmissary to bribe el Cid, I think it was something like 3000fl. Clicked yes, then got the "army is more valuable than we thought" message, except I didn't have enough money to pay the new price, so I clicked on "offer all we have".
2 things happened.
1. El Cid was so disgusted with my derisory offer, he took the life of my emissary http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif Has anyone else ever seen this?
2. Even though the bribe was refused, I still lost every florin I had. I had never realised before that with unsuccessful bribes you still have to pay the cash.
Quote[/b] ]1. El Cid was so disgusted with my derisory offer, he took the life of my emissary Has anyone else ever seen this?
it`s damned rare, i`ve only seen it twice, when i played the first version of MTW, i think they were really annoyed with me for some reason. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
i think one general was French and the other was HRE, i was English.
Quote[/b] ]2. Even though the bribe was refused, I still lost every florin I had. I had never realised before that with unsuccessful bribes you still have to pay the cash.
yep, that bit really sucks, especially if you are stuck for cash. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Too bad they didn't catch that 'bug' in testing. How the hell can your emissary seal the deal and arrange to have El Cid paid if he's dead? As if a king would send out an emissary along with a caravan containing the entire national treasury so he could negotiate in good faith... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Quote[/b] (Spino @ Sep. 23 2003,19:05)]Too bad they didn't catch that 'bug' in testing. How the hell can your emissary seal the deal and arrange to have El Cid paid if he's dead? As if a king would send out an emissary along with a caravan containing the entire national treasury so he could negotiate in good faith... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Can't imagine many emissaries would stay in their jobs for very long...
Quote[/b] ]Too bad they didn't catch that 'bug' in testing. How the hell can your emissary seal the deal and arrange to have El Cid paid if he's dead? As if a king would send out an emissary along with a caravan containing the entire national treasury so he could negotiate in good faith...
actually it was more a case of the amount being offered being so little as to be offencive to the general being bribed.
he just kills the messenger for even thinking of offering such a small bribe.
seems to be quite in character with the middle ages, if you ask me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Quote[/b] ]actually it was more a case of the amount being offered being so little as to be offencive to the general being bribed.
he just kills the messenger for even thinking of offering such a small bribe.
seems to be quite in character with the middle ages, if you ask me.
I completely agree but Mount Suribachi took exception to losing those florins after having his offer rejected, not losing the emissary to Cid's fit of anger.
Revenant69
09-23-2003, 21:21
Hehehe. El Cid. What a great character he is. Well I have to go and do my writeups.
Hint: For all those who are part of a Spanish PBM game, I can tell you that El Cid played a role in my reign. to find out what that role was you will have to wait for the writeups http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The_Emperor
09-23-2003, 22:02
Quote[/b] (Spino @ Sep. 23 2003,20:58)]
Quote[/b] ]actually it was more a case of the amount being offered being so little as to be offencive to the general being bribed.
he just kills the messenger for even thinking of offering such a small bribe.
seems to be quite in character with the middle ages, if you ask me.
I completely agree but Mount Suribachi took exception to losing those florins after having his offer rejected, not losing the emissary to Cid's fit of anger.
Well it only makes sense that after the Emissary was slain that the money he had with him would go to good use in El Cid's personal treasury
Very Medieval http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
On a semi-related note:
A little while ago, as the Egyptians, I had made war on the Byzantines which accidentally locked the Turkish sultan off from his kingdom. Eventually bits rebelled and I mopped 'em all up. Then I crushed the Turks.
After that for about 20 turns I got notifications of assasination attempts, and when there was info to be had, it said that the assasin had been sent by the rebels. Now there was a remaining rebel group in Khazar that could conceivably have been Turkish originally, but they did not have the facilities to produce assasins.
Anyone seen this? Any idea as to what was going on?
That assassin may have been from another rebel territory elsewhere on the map. The AI doesn't seem to care whether you're next door or 1/2 way across the world in order to do strange things. I remember one campaign where I played the Danes and even though I had no provinces in Eastern & Southern Europe (or Western Asia for that matter) I kept stopping Byzantine assassination attempts on my units in Denmark
One thing to keep in mind is that the game treats ALL Rebel factions as a single, unified faction (albeit severely limited to what it can do). The strategic map colors may vary but they all share the same treasury, units, etc. Most importantly this 'rebel confederation' is unfriendly to everyone, period. If you ever get the chance to play MTW in debug mode be sure to hit 'G' for god mode and then hit the '1' key and you'll see what I am talking about.
sprucemoose
09-24-2003, 17:06
think about it chaps,
the emissary arrives usually he has the money with him(hes not gonna negotiate a deal to say "im just nipping to the ATM for the money ill be right back",you offer less than they expect to be bribed and kill your emissary who has this rarther large caravan with his possessions and the said money for the bribe.i dont think i would hand back the money"er ive killed your messenger bbut as a kind gesture heres your money back",more like heres a head thanks for the cash",ive had this happen before if you dont have enough dont waste what you have got.
The Storyteller
09-24-2003, 17:24
If you only got notes on assasination attempts for 20 turns after, maybe the assassins were all leftovers from the Turkish empire. Once you killed all of them, the rebels never produced anymore, especially when Khazar has no assassin producing facilities.
As for bribes, I think emissaries DID carry huge amounts of cash with them when going to bribe enemy generals. Think about it. you're an enemy general. An emissary turns up and says, 'I've got lots of gold and dancing virgins for you... but not with me right now. You can have them all if you betray your lord and master.'
Extend him credit? Not bloody likely. Especially if he's FRENCH... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif (sorry, English campaign ongoing)
Mount Suribachi
09-24-2003, 19:29
BTW, I'm not stomping my feet and shouting "this is a bug".
I'm just saying I've never seen it before. And like someone said, very medieval
bighairyman
09-27-2003, 05:48
yeah i have saw this once, back in mtw before Vi cae out. i also try to bribe El cid, but i offer to exten the bribe but he killed my emissier anyway. it's weird, i never have my emiiseiers killed by enemy kings or generals except El cid. i hope they put the option to either torture and release, tortue and excuted or just excuted in rtw http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Hamburglar
09-28-2003, 18:55
I've had it happen twice in MTW
Once I tried to bribe some German 9 Dread guy to join my Turkish troops and I guess with 9 dread the guy couldn't just politely say "No thanks". He's gotta keep his reputation up so of course he sends me the head.
The second time was when an emmisary tried to negotiate a truce with the Golden Horde. They just killed him.
It seemed to happen ALL THE TIME in Shogun though. My diplomats never kept their heads for long.
Yeah, if I was a diplomat in Shogun I would just leave on the nearest Portugese ship and never come back. Being a diplomat is not a long term career move.
The Storyteller
09-30-2003, 03:55
In Shogun, generals, Emperors and everyone else were busy killing themselves over some point of honour... I guess they wanted to extend the same courtesy to their honoured guest.
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