Battlefield Maps request ...

[komninos]

Hi all,

I need some battle field maps for ancient Greece. Can any one help to build a set of maps (castles, landings, and places of special interest). the reason is that my maps look more with lego built maps than real ones. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Second ... can we insert a map as the standard battle field when crossing from one specific province to an other i.e. from Thessaly to Biotea to have the Thermopilea map.

Thanks

BTW .... How do I tell the map editor where to place the bridges???

[Alrowan]

sounds interesting, i may be able to help with maps in a week or two, im going away next week, so i wont be on at all.

to answer your seccond question: Yes

[komninos]

I have made a test map with Thermopilae ... it does not follow the real map ... it was made from what I could remember.

It has a small wall and a narrow flat passage to cross. A small but heavy armed force can take everything there. But a second path can be found to the north that leads behind the deffenders camp.

My first test run was interesting ... the persians attacked me slowly bringing the lesser units first then there strongest till the imortals cam but it had many glitches ... i.e. the reluctance of the AI to attack ot its inadeguesy to use the alternative path.

I will take some screens to show you.

[flip]

Hi K.

I have some books that may help you with that. I can scan some pictures and send them to you. Just precise what you need. Type of map and locations.

See you

Oops, second reading I gess what youre asking is about build the MTW maps itself. I can try, just need to know what places youre thinking. My resources may help me on that. It would be nice to do some historical campaigns, but cant figure how.

[komninos]

Hi flip,

Even the scand maps can help So make a pack of them in a zip ... since they will be black&white the PNG format can give very good compration ratio.
Maps that I can think of ...
Marathon, Thermopilae, Platee' that will go nicely with the Persian wars update of HTW. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

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This will also go to the HTW thread ... It is from a simple map I have for Thermopilae.

The Greek Camp (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Therm-01.jpg)
The passage (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Therm-02.jpg)
Hercules Path (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Therm-03.jpg)
The attack (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Therm-04.jpg) -- Strang I put 16 units to the persians ... notice the small red dot in the map http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The path is known (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Therm-05.jpg) Enemies in the rear
Even more are comming (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Therm-06.jpg) it is our doom ... thank god I could not give them renforcements http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Hope you like them.

[Antalis::]

Hi: I´ve made a map for this mod, maybe you can need it: MARATHON.

(southeuropean, arid).

IT has a swamp, 2 camps, the city of Marathon, a beach and some flat land.



Also: I´ve already made 6 maps:
You can use them, if you want (are in the org. download section).

Here are screenshots of 5 (I´ve made also Saladin city):

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/5maps.jpg

[Antalis::]

Ok, my THERMOPYLAE map is ready http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
It has also like history tell us a path behind the mountains.

(It is temperate, southeuropean).



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[Antalis::]

To all:


Should I post them on the org to download?
Or will you wait till komninos hopefully put them in his mod?

[komninos]

Hi Antalis::,
Exelent maps ... put them on the ORG and I will try to find a way to introduce them in the HTW. I have to find out how to fix the area battle map in the startpos file ... first.

The Thermopilae problem is that it is one small passage that a small army can block. From the one side is the sea and from the other the steep mounten side. The passege is a flat rocky terain with its thinest part about 300men wide while at the Phocean wall the width is not grater than 500men this gives ~150m to 250m flat passege. So 2 to 3 MTW units shoud block it (to bring it in MTW metrics). The last stand hill should be behind the wall. The Wall should be made as a small hit with a fence on top. Can you acomodate that in your map???

[Antalis::]

I reworked the Thermopylae map and I´m working on some other maps http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



Antalis::

[Antalis::]

I have finished 5 maps: MARATHON
THERMOPYLAE
OLYMPOS
THESSALIA
CASTLE 1 map

Soon I will post pics.



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[Antalis::]

Here are pics of my maps for this mod :



1. THERMOPYLAE (better version): (temperate, southeuropean)

2. MARATHON (v2) (arid, southeuropean)

3. OLYMPOS: (arid, southeuropean)

4. A castle map: (arid, southeuropean)

5. THESSALIA: (arid, southeuropean)

Here is a pic of them:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/5mapsforancienttimes.jpg




edit: Sorry I had to remove the pics, which I had posted here before, because I´m running out of bandwidth, so I added a pic where all maps are showen in one pic:



greetings:

Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ShadesPanther]

They are very good maps. The problem with THERMOPYLAE is that the enemy doesn't use the alternative route

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (ShadesPanther @ Sep. 30 2003,14:56)]They are very good maps. The problem with THERMOPYLAE is that the enemy doesn't use the alternative route
Yes that´s true, but there is no way to fix this.
The AI is very dumb.
To place water on the false place is poison to the AI for example.
The enemy units often get stuck, if you do this.

Also it´s a nightmare to make working castlemaps: You have to do a closed wallsystem: So no walls that stand alone with a gatehouse and so on. Also: the gatehouse has to be on flat ground.
Its a pitty for MTW that you can´t do that.
But I guess we have to take what we get from CA.

[flip]

Hi Antalis,

Tried your Thermopylae map. Nice.
I held the pass The Persians( Lydians ) forgot to take the short cut, but I did not http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/pass1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/pass2.jpg
How to avoid alpinists?
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/alpinism.jpg

[Antalis::]

Yeah, we change history, because of the dumb persians AI http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

And thank you for the pics http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



Antalis::

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (flip @ Sep. 30 2003,20:18)]How to avoid alpinists?
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/alpinism.jpg


I´m working on a solution for that problem.
For this I have to change a lot of things.
I´ll inform you and upload a new version soon.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Love the maps Antalis. Really cool. Have you ever read "Gates of Fire"? That is about the Spartans at thermopylae and it is really sad( A great read by the way). I can now change history by kicking Persian ass http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

So, problem solved (after 7-8 hours work):


Version 3 is the newest version.
PLease ignore V2 in the downloadsection (it has a small bug).

Version 3 is very different to V1, so choose, which you like more.


You find it here:

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ Okt. 01 2003,08:30)]Love the maps Antalis. Really cool. Have you ever read "Gates of Fire"? That is about the Spartans at thermopylae and it is really sad( A great read by the way). I can now change history by kicking Persian ass http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
No, I´vnt read it yet, but it sounds interresting, maybe I will http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[komninos]

Hmm ... I see lots of thrills and spills at Thermopile ... hmmm sorry but I will put you off guys ...
The formation you will have to use there is 6 Hoplite units with only 2 of them Spartan and 3 units of Skirites. The opposition has to be at least 2 enemy Lydian and/or Phrygian armies with a good contingent of archers in them. The true conditions though would be 10 units of Hoplites with 3 Spartan, and a Lydian army of at least 60 units of all types ... no way man that was a done deal ... suicide mission In reality there were ~3000 Hoplites with 300 Spartans and you could account ~ 1000 usable light troops Vs ~2,000,000 from the best the Persian Empire could offer Like Lydians, Phrygians, Egyptians, Medians, Iranians, Indians, ... and the list goes on. In the Persian Wars update you will fined some of them. Also some changes and refinements to the existing units (The eastern units are lighter).

[Antalis::]

At the moment I´m working on three new maps:

ISSOS (battle of Alexander The Great against persia)
LAKONIA (=SPARTA)
CRETE


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[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 01 2003,11:33)]Like Lydians, Phrygians, Egyptians, Medians, Iranians, Indians, ... and the list goes on. In the Persian Wars update you will fined some of them. Also some changes and refinements to the existing units (The eastern units are lighter).
Sounds good.
Do you have some pics of some of them (are some of them ready yet, or is it in the planning stage at the moment?), would be amazing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[flip]

Hi Antalis, need pics from historical battle places?
I think at Thermopylae you recreated a bit the Phocian wall, wich its not a problem, but here is a pic of the remains of the wall(It was a builded wall instead of a geographic incident), from Last Stand Spartan position.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Thermopylae.jpg
Map 1 (http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Thermopylae2.jpg)
Last stand position (http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Thermopylae3.jpg)
Map 2 (http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Thermopylae4.jpg)

[Antalis::]

Thank you for the pics.
I searched and didn´t find so good pictures.
Hope that you like my Thermopylae map, like it is, with a bit artistic freedom (but not that much http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) (V3 has a bit more art. freedom then V1).
But all in all I tried to be historically correct.


Oh and yeah, I´ve finished a new map: GAUGAMELA

[Antalis::]

I plan to release 6 new ancient maps, maybe more:
ISSOS
GAUGAMELA
CHAIRONEA
SPARTA (Lakonia)
CRETE
KAPADOKIA


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[komninos]

Hi Antalis::

Have you tried the new utility of Welly? you can build new objects with it.

just downloaded your maps ... I will try them and came back to you.

cheers

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 02 2003,15:25)]Hi Antalis::

Have you tried the new utility of Welly? you can build new objects with it.

just downloaded your maps ... I will try them and came back to you.

cheers
It´s not released yet.

I have not much expirience with 3D modelling (made one castle for Operation Flashpoint ("Castle Ares")).
Let´s see.


Antalis::

[Antalis::]

GRANIKOS and MAGNESIA (the landscape) will also be in the new map-pak.


Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[komninos]

Hi Antalis::,

I had this strange thing with the Termolilae map v.3.
The Persians went in the upper right corner and could not fined there way to attack me ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 04 2003,07:59)]Hi Antalis::,

I had this strange thing with the Termolilae map v.3.
The Persians went in the upper right corner and could not fined there way to attack me ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Hm, happens sometimes.
The AI is too silly to find the way always.

If you want to have an absolutly working map, then: No water, no mountains, nothing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .
Sorry, but MTW was not made for a perfect working Thermopylae map.

Maybe I rework the Thermopylae map again, but no promise.
Use v1, there is more space to walk for the enemy.


btw.: New map: EPIRUS, is ready.

[Antalis::]

Here is a screenshot of the new map: "SPARTA_LAKONIA" :


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/Sparta_Lakonia.jpg



Antalis::

[Antalis::]

SILICY, RHODES and ACHAIA will also be in the new map -pack http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .


Antalis::

[Antalis::]

You know, I search the internet for images for the landscapes and battlefields, so my maps are no fantasy maps.
They are built to represent the real landscapes.
Often there are not many images in the internet for a landscape, but I try to make it as realistic as possible.
I use a bit artistic freedom, but not so much.


btw: TRAKIA and PHOKIS are ready for the map-pack.



Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Jacque Schtrapp]

Jene diagramme schauen gut Nizza arbeit Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Antalis::]

Danke http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


You speack my language, that´s fine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



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[Antalis::]

KARIA and MESSENIA are finished http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

[Antalis::]

New maps: ARKADIA, LYDIA and KEPHALLENIA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Antalis::]

I have a little present for you : One map of my upcomming HTW_map-pack: SPARTA_LAKONIA.

Use: Southeuropean, arid


You can get it here:

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/



Antalis::


btw.: CHALKIDIKE and KORKYRA are finished.

[Antalis::]

New maps: Lesbos and Byzantion (with a long bridge), LYKIA, ILLYRIA and THASOS.

[Antalis::]

New maps:
PHRYGIA, ELIS and EUBOEA.

[Antalis::]

One question: Is someone interrested to make castles for this mod?

I don´t know if I have the time to make them too.
You know over 50-60 maps (which I´m building at the moment) of landscapes are a massive work and my time for modding will be much lesser in a week (university you know).


So if someone is interrested to make some castles then ask komninos (maybe´I´ll make also some, but I doupt that I´ll do this too) and post here, if you´ll do it.

[Antalis::]

new maps: ZAKYNTHOS
SOUTH MOESIA
LYNCESTIS
DELOS
MOESIA

[Antalis::]

New maps:

SKYROS_SPORADES
DALMATIA
SAMOS
PAMPHYLIA
EPHESUS
NAISSUS

[Antalis::]

New maps for the map-pack:

MILET
HALIKARNASSOS
NAXOS (South Cycl.)
PHILIPPOPOLIS
CRETE_KYDONIA

[Antalis::]

update:

PISIDIA
ESO MOESIA
SMYRNA
GORDION
CYZICUS
DACIA

[Antalis::]

Anyone who wants to make castles?

[Antalis::]

new maps:


NICAEA
BITHYNIA
MELITINE
PAPHLAGONIA
SERDICA
AVDERA
MYGDONIA
GERMA
PANNONIA
CYNURIA
ELIMEA

[Antalis::]

HTW_Map-Pack will soon be released.
Only 1 or 2 maps to make http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif