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Just a bit curiousity if anyone has ever had the misfortune of the A.I. bribing there troops. I've never had it happen to me but I remember in Shogun you would see 3000 emisaries running around trying to bribe armies and luckily none of them had enough money to bribe my troops. So anyone got some shocking stories to tell in either medievel or Shogun
ShaiHulud
09-30-2003, 03:51
The only time I've ever had my generals bribed was when I played as the Rebels.
Snowhobbit
09-30-2003, 08:32
Once playing Polish my garrision army in sweden was bribed by the danes, not too big though only 300 spearmen, so I did send in five units of mounted crossbowmen and slaughterd them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Edit: grammar
HopAlongBunny
09-30-2003, 09:02
Rarely. I can't understand why the AI doesn't attempt it more often; when the empire gets large there are often a few low loyalty generals floating around
Ironside
09-30-2003, 10:03
I tried the napoleon mod as French and on the first turn the Spanish bribed my garnision in Aquintine (the most southern English province in France in in early). It was really sad news http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif , like it stands in the message you get. But thats the only time dispite the fact that in some games they should have enough money.
As the French, the Italians did it to me once.
Rarely, sometimes try the Spaniards to bribe my Navarran garnision
BlackFireStorm
09-30-2003, 13:13
Only IRL. I'm cheap.
Never. But i did bribe others alot. Especially if middle or late in the game when i have so much money then i'll try to bribe one stack of my neighbours army and let them fight each other first. When i lost the battle i usually never ransom them back. Just weakening them first before my main attack.
TheSilverKnight
09-30-2003, 13:30
In the Napoleonic Mod, as the Russians, it was 1811, Napoleon had conquered all of Italy, Spain, Germany, most of Austria (as Austria had sued for peace), and then when he invaded Russia, he didn't have enough men, and bribed my army of 890 Russian Infantry/Cavalry
I defeated them with the Tsar's Army
Tsar Karl II with 1000+ men (I edited the name files a bit to give the Kings custom names)
The_Emperor
09-30-2003, 13:35
I think the reason the AI doesn't bribe the player very often is because of the sheer cost involved with bribing armies that are already members of a faction.
Clearly it spends much more cash on building up and creating armies rather than engaging in bribery.
I often see Rebels being bribed, but I have yet to see the AI bribe a non-rebel army, let alone one of mine
What does the "lost army to a bribe" message say by the way? Is it as funny as the "Order own assassination when you do not have an heir" message?
Early on, playing the HRE, the French bribed part of my garrison in Provence. If I had taken the time to combine the two small stacks there it probably wouldn't have happened.
I rarely bibe faction armies myself even when I'm rolling in the Florins. Does anyone else make a haabit of bribing non-rebels?
NewJeffCT
09-30-2003, 14:06
Do you get a message that an army of yours has been bribed?
I am currently playing as the Turks and the Poles invaded my province of Denmark. I had 4 stacks of troops and over 2,500 men. The Poles invaded with only about 1,000. I easily beat them back with my original 16 units. However, after the turn was over, I only saw 1 stack of troops in the province, and I could not find the others. I don't know if they disappeared or what, or got bribed and combined into other provinces (I thought I would have noticed Ghulam Cavalry or Turcoman Horse among the Poles, though?)
NewJeffCT, I got a message, I don't recall what it said, and the disloyal troops started flashing their new colors. I doubt you're the victim of bribery. I think you would've noticed your stacks flashing red and it is doubtful the Poles had enough cash to make them change sides.
I believe I've lost stacks but it's usally when I'm moving them around and the mouse gets tangled up an I presumably drop them into the sea from a great height. Fortunes of war I guess.
Lord of the Isles
09-30-2003, 16:49
Quote[/b] (DojoRat @ Sep. 30 2003,12:49)]I rarely bibe faction armies myself even when I'm rolling in the Florins. Does anyone else make a haabit of bribing non-rebels?
I can't remember ever doing it. The AI generally manages its economy so poorly that it isn't able to bribe and it seems cheesy tactics to do it myself. I bribe rebels occasionally if I like the look of their troops (they are decent and also only if they fit historically with my faction's troops).
Bribing is all of a piece with excessive use of spies, using Inquisitors, using assassins in other faction's provinces and a few others. Before I begin to sound too angelic: I'm currently trying to wean myself off the habit of replaying battles I lose but I'm such an anal-retentive that it's proving tough. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
bighairyman
09-30-2003, 22:50
i think i have got bribed once. but it was a longtime ago, and i don't remeber cleary. i on the other hand, bribe often when the dough is rolling in. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . ina campagne, i usually have at the start. a army of 4-5 best infantry i my faction could build, 2 cannons, 2-3 archery units, and 4-5 best cavalry avaible, often it's my royal bodyguards. 1 spy and 1 emeesary. they travel with my army all the way. i always bribe a eneme army, use it as my seiger. while my main attacking army moves on. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . this staegty relly works
Once as the Byz I had so much money I just bribed everyone I came accross. A great way to defeat a nation, bribing every single non-heir army.
SirGrotius
10-01-2003, 01:24
I've never had any of my armies bribed by the enemy and I think the principal reason for this is that my enemies never engage in aggressive trading which is best way to bring in requisite income for bribing.
neogerry
10-01-2003, 04:41
once as the byzantines my garrison in constantinople was bribed by the italians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
needles to say i lost the province http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Ironside
10-01-2003, 10:12
If you really want the comp to bribe try the Napoleonic mod, played a little bit more and the Astriahungary decleared war on me with the classic attack on ships. But at the same turn he bribed three armies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif and failed with one He has bribed two other armies after that and had several failures.
I fear the British after this they seem to got ALOT of money, probably enough to bribe all my stacks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif.
Wessex got 12077 florins (modded to have 3 trade resourses) one year and England got more money than me when I was earning 30k a year and had the biggest armies. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Eastside Character
10-07-2003, 00:21
I like bribing other factions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
Once I made a bribe for some 120 000 florins are it was accepted - and the pope lost his biggest army http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I just like doing it.
Thats my style.
Marshal Murat
10-07-2003, 02:59
I like bribing armies to gain time such as in castle sieges, I usually buy the enemy off. I also use the deadringer cheat alot so I rake in the florins and bribe my way to paradise, but my Emmisaries are killed.
I just bought VI on saturday and I am playing my first game as the Hungarians. So far no one has tried to bribe me but I have seen the Byzantines bribe a French and Egyptian army, the Egyptians a Byzantine army and the French an English army and its only 1222. I had never seen this at all in v1.1.
What is the deadringer cheat and why do your emissaries die?
oblivious maximus
10-14-2003, 08:54
To me in the NapMod. The Austro-Hungarians bribed 2 of my armies which were rather good.
Marshal Murat
10-14-2003, 10:23
The deadringer cheat gives you 1000000 florins, or something as such. My emmisaries die, because the AI build so many spies.
NTW bribing is the ultimate bribe fest.
MizuKokami
10-29-2003, 13:52
yes, once. however, in the end, they paid for it with more then their money, as it really made me mad.
Ser Clegane
10-29-2003, 15:10
Happened only once to me, so far (and only during a MedMod game). I was playing Egypt and the Turks bribed my army in Palestine.
Next turn I took the province back - no prisoners taken in
that battle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I have had troops bribed a few times while playing VI campaigns. Both the Saxons and the Mercians often raise enough money to bribe whole stacks away from you. They do this to each other all the time too and can decimate the Welsh and Northumbrians by buying there main stacks too. Other than these 2, I haven't ever had it happen in a Medieval game.
ChErNoByl
11-01-2003, 22:42
it seems to happen a lot in N:TW. It's fun to have an army of redcoats go against another army of redcoats. Looks cool.
brent_james
11-02-2003, 01:44
playing as the english, on late, in medium difficulty, the french bribed a 50 man army that I had in Bordeaux. That happened only a few years after the start. Maybe they bribed because they had so much money, since the french had 4 provinces recieving over 5000 florins a year http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
i only bribe for two things and i have seen the comp bribe large armies in chokepoints on the map i bribe when there is a annoying rebel army and when there are rebel specific units.
thanks dessa
kataphraktoi
11-05-2003, 02:25
In a custom mod as the Byzantines, I was in a gruelling frontier war with the Arabs, my treasury was milked like a dead mule and my troops were sparse in most provinces - then the Arabs bribed a 500 strong Byzantine infantry army on the frontier facing the Arabs. Jus like Ser Clangen, no prisoners in the next battle. the fact they had a nice large empire and a big treasury of 100,000 florins to blow....
o_loompah_the_delayer
11-05-2003, 17:50
I have never yet seen it happen the AI bribing my armies but quite often several of my generals with small armies on the borders acquire man of principle or unbribale V&Vs, perhaps the AI was trying to bribe them?
I routinely bribe rebel armies. I usually have so much money after the first 50-70 years that I have to spend it somewhere. In my current game, the Horde is quite powerful and has started attacking me and I am thinking of just bribing all of their armies. I have 200,000 florins to spend and that should get the job done. Even if I spend it all, I am making over 22,000 florins a turn in profit so I won't be broke for long.
lancer63
11-05-2003, 23:00
I've had armies bribed under me a couple times. Retaliation was swift and terrible. I suspect the AI tries to bribe all the time. I often get 'loyal to unbribable and 'weak principles to no principles' v&vs.
Eastside Character
11-06-2003, 00:47
I've been bribed a couple of times.
The only time one of my generals has been bribed was in a game I was playing as the rebels. I have seen the computer bribe rebel armies when I was playing as a standard faction a few times, but the best (most unexpected) was watching the AI French bribe a small garrison in Egypt (also AI) in order to stave off Egyptian attacks for a few turns (the traitor and his army were quickly smushed). This was a few turns into a High Era game, when the French are isolated in Antioch and Tripoli.
Guthwyn
kataphraktoi
11-06-2003, 15:37
YAY 500 posts...
and I like to bribe top quality generals after an enemy's civil war.
Ocasionally. In one game, my highest ranking general whose loyalty had been dropping over the years was bribed. Since he commanded my elite army (max armor/weapons upgrades, 6+ valor soldiers) I was screwed. Shortly after, my empire rebelled, and I got to watch my empire crumble while my elite (now French) army rampaged across Europe.
I know, it was my fault for letting his loyalty dip that low, but he was married to a princess, and was gov of a rich provence. I was hoping kind words would work.
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