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I have played MTW for quite a while and yesterday the unexpected occurred ...
My grand inquisitor had just burnt the last king of Aragon.
I received a post saying : "the last king of Aragon has died without heir, their land have become by marriage the property of ..."
The new ruler of their land became ... the Golden Horde http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
I have never received any land because I had married one of my prince to a foreign princess. This was the fist time in ages that I saw this happening to another faction (btw marrying your princess to the khan seems a weird move from the Aragonese http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif )
Any clue about when and why it happens ?
No idea, but what happens if you inbreed your princess. I've gotten the warning message, but never dared to try.
Not sure about the inbreeding.
It happened to me once because of a bad move. The prince get the "Incestuous" Vice. My guess is also that his sons should get the vice "inbred" afterward (it did not matter when I did it since the prince never became king).
Not an experience I have tried willingly but I have read a post when someone said it had done it because he was running out of time to get an heir.
BlackFireStorm
10-01-2003, 15:44
I believe the Princess, in a case of incest, gets sent to a nunnery (oddly, not in the tech tree to be built http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ). Something nasty happens the the King too - he gets an 'Incest' V&V with quite negative effects. Try it - in the game of course - and see. Save just before and then restore - no harm done.
mosborne
10-02-2003, 00:37
I've played MTW and VI for about a year )too many campaigns to count) and am fairly aggressive in getting my princes married. I have only been the benefactor of another factions' extinction once, and I can't remember a single time that one AI faction has inherited the kingdom of another AI faction through such means.
I wonder if the number of generations separating the marriage from the extinction matters? The one time I benefitted, it was my Viking king who had a Northumbrian mother -- thus one generation from the throne. You would think that in all the foreign marriages, producing all those multi-generational offspring, over the course of countless games, there would have been ONE inheritance by a grandson, great grandson, great great grandson, etc. IF that was possible.
Despite the negligible chance of inheritance, foreign marriages are beneficial because they can speed up the production of heirs. Foreign marriage is the only way you can marry off a prince and start them breeding earlier. Only rulers marry "daughters of important nobles" (or whatver the exact phrase is). Marrying princes young means they have have heirs that come of age sooner, after their own ascenion. If your unmarried ruler marries immediately upon ascension to the throne, AND has a male heir immediately, there is still a 16 year gap before maturity. Previously married princes assume the throne and as if by magic, heirs appear on the succession list, aged 2, 5, 10, for example.
Although marriage hasn't helpd me inherit many kingdoms, it may be one reason I have only had one extinction of my own in all these campaigns.
The just dead king had to have been married to your princess.
TheSilverKnight
10-02-2003, 01:07
Something happened to me which was odd. Russians, High Period (modified names to give me Ivo, Peter, Alexander, Karl, etc.). I married Princess Elizabeth to an 8 star, full loyalty general named Karl Alexandrovich, and my Grand Prince, Andrei V, died without an heir in 1291, and it said an odd message: "The Grand Prince of Russia has died without any legitimate heir. In turn, the land will go to the eldest princess' husband. He in turn has become the Grand Prince of the Duchy of Russia." and then I had a new dynasty without losing the old one. He became Grand Prince Karl I, and his dynasty continued until the end of the game (1588 for me). http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif that's very confusing
Ironside
10-02-2003, 08:58
It has happened to me once but it might be a little bit buggy. It seems that a civil war occurs but all forces join the new empire, but you don't die instead you get a king you can't control and your fleet is still intact (maybe all your special agents too). I've seen it with my own eyes, when the Welsh joined me and heard it when it happened for another player when his royal line died. It might only happen if the faction gets a civil war at the death of the royal line. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
Empires joining others, seems to be easier to happen when it was several generations after the marriage. But it occurs so rarely so it's hard to really tell.
About inbreeding your princesses, atleast if you do it rarely it doesn't seems to affect much, your prince get the secret incest vice but inbred seems not to appear on the children. Only tried this when needing of heirs was very important and because of the 56 year bug.
Try asking for marriage with your emissaries, some factions (often the Danes) will always accept a marriage even if you're at war with them (you still are at war after the marriage). http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
ShadesWolf
10-02-2003, 13:02
Ive never seen this happen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif Perhaps I need to play more games http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
motorhead
10-02-2003, 13:05
Inheriting lands has happened to me twice: once in VI and once as Aragonese (maybe English?). But very rare and I never waste time trying to arrange it. When it happens it's like a nice surprise.
The_Emperor
10-02-2003, 13:59
Quote[/b] (Ironside @ Oct. 02 2003,08:58)]It has happened to me once but it might be a little bit buggy. It seems that a civil war occurs but all forces join the new empire, but you don't die instead you get a king you can't control and your fleet is still intact (maybe all your special agents too). I've seen it with my own eyes, when the Welsh joined me and heard it when it happened for another player when his royal line died. It might only happen if the faction gets a civil war at the death of the royal line. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
Empires joining others, seems to be easier to happen when it was several generations after the marriage. But it occurs so rarely so it's hard to really tell.
About inbreeding your princesses, atleast if you do it rarely it doesn't seems to affect much, your prince get the secret incest vice but inbred seems not to appear on the children. Only tried this when needing of heirs was very important and because of the 56 year bug.
Try asking for marriage with your emissaries, some factions (often the Danes) will always accept a marriage even if you're at war with them (you still are at war after the marriage). http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I had this happen to me playing as the Sicillians...
For a laugh I ordered my own assassination (only a 6% chance of success), my King was married to the Hungarian princess.
Bang next year, the King is dead the Hungarians take all my lands my marriage, I get a message about Civil War starting between Loyalists and Rebels (with no men on either side)and all I have left are my strategic agents and my fleet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Talk about freaky
Dimonstre
10-03-2003, 07:29
Personnaly I never inherited lands http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif , neither seen such thing to happen to someone else.
Marshal Murat
10-07-2003, 03:15
What sucked is that by the powers in STW, whenever I allied and such, killed the Daimyo and hiers, the lands always passed to an enemy of mine, until I killed him, then they would become rebels?
neogerry
10-16-2003, 06:04
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Oct. 02 2003,07:59)][quote=Ironside,Oct. 02 2003,08:58]
For a laugh I ordered my own assassination (only a 6% chance of success), my King was married to the Hungarian princess.
Bang next year, the King is dead the Hungarians take all my lands my marriage, I get a message about Civil War starting between Loyalists and Rebels (with no men on either side)and all I have left are my strategic agents and my fleet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Talk about freaky
really weird..... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
I inherited France once as the Englsih as i killed their King (via assassin) after I married a French Princess.
Which was nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The Wizard
10-16-2003, 14:33
Well, I've never, ever had that in many, many campaigns. However, I recently had three generations of Byzantine emperors, each married to an Aragonese princess. Pretty cool http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Earl of Sweden
10-17-2003, 03:33
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Oct. 02 2003,01:46)]The just dead king had to have been married to your princess.
Don´t you mean that your prince (or king) have to be married to the dead kings daughter?
If you marry your pricess it is her husband that inherits, at least that is the way I have understood it.
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 17 2003,00:33)]Well, I've never, ever had that in many, many campaigns. However, I recently had three generations of Byzantine emperors, each married to an Aragonese princess. Pretty cool http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
dude, thats not good... getting cousins to marry and all...
lancer63
10-17-2003, 04:00
You mean I can marry my princess to a king, then kill or burn all the heirs and kill the king himself so that I can annex all his lands? mmm....sounds promising. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Yet I like to slug it out and win the old way thoug. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
I believe you need to still be allied (or neutral) with them to inherit.
Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The Wizard
10-17-2003, 12:07
Quote[/b] (Alrowan @ Oct. 16 2003,21:48)]
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 17 2003,00:33)]Well, I've never, ever had that in many, many campaigns. However, I recently had three generations of Byzantine emperors, each married to an Aragonese princess. Pretty cool http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
dude, thats not good... getting cousins to marry and all...
Those princesses were all of different generations of Aragonese http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
they were different generations, but all related...
Aragon king has son and daughter, daughter marries byz, son of byz marries daughter of aragon prince
Quote[/b] (Alrowan @ Oct. 17 2003,09:59)]they were different generations, but all related...
Aragon king has son and daughter, daughter marries byz, son of byz marries daughter of aragon prince
It's an episode of the Byzantine Hillbillies
Here's the story of a King named Jed
Poor Royal Knight barely kept his family fed
Then One Day he was shooting at some Turks
And up through the ground came bubbling Three Toed Jerks
Byz blue bloods...In Bred Half Aragonese Princes that is
Next thing you know Jed's got another heir
Folks said move away from there
Said Byzantium is the place you ought to be
Constantinople that is....
(less ring than the orignal but not all of us can write songs as well as Vanya)
The Wizard
10-17-2003, 17:16
ROFL @ that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Well, lucky me, the sons of the second king to marry an Aragonese princess had nothing, as well as the sons of those sons... comprende? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
HopAlongBunny
10-19-2003, 13:47
The Byzantine Hillbillies
OMG
I love it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
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