New Unit - Eastern Peltast

[Barkhorn1x]

Eastern Peltast
Peltasts are lightly equipped skirmishers, originally named for the shape of their shields. They are used to break up enemy units with showers of javelins as the main battle lines approach each other. Acting as a screen, they are not expected to fight in hand-to-hand combat for long against heavier troops.

They are usually armed with a clutch of javelins, a thrusting spear and a straight sword, and equipped with their trademark light shield (the pelte) and little armour. Their light quality gives them the ability to manoeuvre and fight across rough or broken terrain. Peltasts are occasionally used with cavalry in the open against mounted units but they are then vulnerable to being ridden down if the accompanying cavalry is driven off.

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[Hurin_Rules]

Yaaay

A historically accurate unit (for once)

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Is it just me, or do CA really seem to like putting peltast-a-likes on the web page? we've got thse guys, the greek peltasts, the greek archers and the Egyptian skirmishers. Booooooooring...

[Nowake]

They had too, as the succesor kindoms armies were composed of peltasts also.

[Basileus]

im going to love using peltasts, good looking unit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[shingenmitch2]

Very nice. Unit looks very good. This will be cool for (I assume) the Selucids. The restless natives have been satisfied... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I'm excited to see the thracian/dacian peltest with the crescent shield and Phrygian cap.

On a side note, I hope they've work out the mechanics for the javelin throw better than they did for M:TW -- as it was nigh impossible to have them run up, stop, and actually throw before a charging enemy would have them retreating. They really need to be able to throw on the foward run.


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lol, I think King Sax is looking for a Warhammer Meat-cleaver unit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Kraxis]

New unit... No

There is hardly anything new about this unit. But at least it is correct.

Couldn't they have posted a Parthian Cataphract? Or some Carthagenian unit... Or one of the supposed historically correct barbarians???

[Spino]

Quote[/b] ]Couldn't they have posted a Parthian Cataphract? Or some Carthagenian unit... Or one of the supposed historically correct barbarians???

You'll get nothing... and like it

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[Hakonarson]

Peltasts with Pelte are pretty much obsolete by this time - and only used by Thracians and Thracian mercenaries (who were still in evidence but no longer the well paid spcialists they had been a century before).

Greek and other Hellenistic Peltasts had long ago switched to Thureos - the long oval shield, and were mostly called "Thureophoroi" because of it.

So yes the unit is historic, but it's of little relevance to teh period of RTW - a C+ effort at best.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Looks good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Spino]

Quote[/b] ]So yes the unit is historic, but it's of little relevance to teh period of RTW - a C+ effort at best.

Ouch You know CA is rubbing some people the wrong way when grades come into play

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[hoom]

The modern word pelt would be derived from the peltasts right? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Hakonarson]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ Oct. 01 2003,20:59)]
Quote[/b] ]So yes the unit is historic, but it's of little relevance to teh period of RTW - a C+ effort at best.

Ouch You know CA is rubbing some people the wrong way when grades come into play

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Nah - I'm an analyst by trade so I always feel the need tograde everything - plays merry hell with relationships can tell you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[lonewolf371]

You're so judgemental http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Although the Athenian armies DID feature mainly peltasts for awhile after the Peloponesian war, they didn't exaclty have enough money to replace them with the old hoplites...

[shingenmitch2]

Krax & King Sanc

I'd have to say that although all peltasts will be similar. I'm happy seeing the different varients.

For the most part, your complaint could be said of most troops. I mean let's face it, there are basically only a few actual weapon types:
>bow (with 3 or so bow variants)
>swords (with, at best, 5 meaningful variants--falcata, gladius, celtic long, xyphos, spatha)
>spears
>javelins (maybe 3-4 types: iron ibero, heavy, light, pilum)
>slingers
>pike/sarissa
>cav. lance (xyston/kontos)
>axes.... (um... 2-handed battle...ugh&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

>oops almost forgot... falx/rhomphia (very specialized tho)

There are only six troop types:
>skirmish
>light foot
>heavy foot
>skirmish cav
>light cav
>heavy cav

The variation between units will be where it usually is... in the details: morale, range, attack, def ratings, unit size, formation bonuses, etc.

[Kraxis]

Yes sm, but the descriptions of these units make them sound like the same unit with different skins, actually I don't see any difference than wordplay. And not even that big a difference in skins.

A slinger would be much more interesting as we have not yet had any. Heavy cavalry too.