View Full Version : Stabbing in the back allies
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-02-2003, 11:11
Playing as the english in late, i held most of France, the British isles and coastal germany and i saw my allies, the danes trapped in there castle in saxony besieged by rebels. I broke the siege and me and Danes were about to fight the rebel host. We destroyed it but as we swept them from the field i saw my rear routing, only to find the Danes had stabbed me in the back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif I beat them in the end but has anyone else experienced this?
Can it be a bug?
I've never experienced cancelling alliances on the field Someone in the forum told that routing units enjoy charge bonus, so probably your routers charged right into the Danes and they just protected themselves? So probably it was your routers that "cencelled" the alliance. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
I know its not your fault. Just a bug-like stupidity of the game.
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-02-2003, 11:55
It was in the original game but i hope it wasn't a bug, i thought it was great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I hope Rome has that, how cool would that be......ok, maybe not that cool http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
No my men were routing because the Danes had attacked them Cavalry charge right into the rear I've never seen such good wholesome treachery http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Whoa.. No I never experienced such a thing. I still think there is another factor to it (an inaccurate arrow fire etc..). Or perhaps you are playing on expert?
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-02-2003, 12:08
Maybe. They were Kerns and Gallowglass, maybe the Kerns pelted javelins on the Danish king, after all you can hit your own men with missile fire. The king must have had enough. It was on expert but i have never seen anything like that before. A shocking, yet welcoming surprise
If there is really such a function (backstabbing during the battle), it is really great as you said. That would give Hashisins a whole new definition. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
motorhead
10-02-2003, 13:03
Never had it happen to me in battle, but backstabbing is definitely available to the player. Select one of your units the click on an ally and you'll get a box saying something like 'do you wish to attack the Danes and break your alliance'. When i have allies on the battle map, i always keep an eye on them. I've had one allied battle against a pretty weak foe where I had more of my men facing my allies who seemed to be trying to form up on the rear of my army. Eventually, they gave up as I kept a strong front facing their maneuvers, then they moved around my flank and finally attacked our common enemy.
Well no i have never been backstabbed, but i have backstabbed my allies on the field http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I was allied with the Byz as Almohad agains the french... The byz charged the french and when nobody was winning I thought "carpe diem" and all my 10 ghulam cav units charged right in to the rear of all his (byz) archers and his general died quick. All his elit soldiers was crushed betwen the french and me.
I ended up loosing alot of units but the french and byz was totaly crushed. Think they lost about 1000 men each.
omg i love being evil MUAHAHA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
The_Emperor
10-02-2003, 13:34
I have yet to see the AI screw you over in the field... Are you sure they were your allies and not Neutral? Remember all neutrals who enter the battle must be eliminated for victory.
A feature for "unreliable allies" ont he field of battle would be great (Remember the scene from Braveheart where the Scottish Nobles marched their armies off the field while Wallace's army got slaughtered?) That would be a nice touch
That explains why some smart "ally" decides to help you in a battle against a small army. How'bout letting your ally go first? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The_Emperor
10-02-2003, 13:49
Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Oct. 02 2003,13:34)]That explains why some smart "ally" decides to help you in a battle against a small army. How'bout letting your ally go first? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
My allies always go first... and then they take arrows in their backs when I order my archers to rain down arrows into the fighting.
Oh well, accidents happen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I've never had an ally backstab me but neutral Vikings are a huge pain. They come right after you, turning your picnic with a bunch of rebels into a fight to the death.
It pays to keep an eye on allies but sometimes they really go all out and take one for the team. Last night the Mercians joined me in a two bridge battle. As I was sending cav and hth units to the second bridge they jumped across the nearer undefended one. Not wanting to impugn their honor by helping them, I waited as their four Fyrds were ground down by an army of peasants, spears, and archers.
They did really well, drawing all the reserves to them and smashing many enemy units before they themselves finally broke. I met the rebels who chased them with a hail of arrows and when the rebels broke I launched my forces across the river just as my flank group arrived from the other bridge.
It was all over pretty quickly. Just about the easiest bridge battle I ever fought. Or didn't fight. Thanks Mercia.
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-02-2003, 14:34
No boys there were definetly allies. You know the allies when you pass the mouse over them they are yellow, well the Danes were until i saw my rear being set upon and they had turned enemy red If it ever happens again i'll save the replay and show the org a new backstabbing feature http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Brother Derfel
10-02-2003, 15:35
Yep, I have had my allies stab me in the back before, but only in MTW, not VI.
It has also only happened once, I think it is a very, very rare occurance.
Lucklily I defeated the so called allies, and then set about ruthlessly destroying their empire. It felt good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
GAH
Vanya has experienced this... in MP. Never in SP. In MP it happens more often that some would like to claim.
Vanya moves to attack, only to have His ally behind him say 'You got some purdy men there, Vanya boy Squeel like a pig for daddy'.
Well... more heads for Vanya to cut off...
GAH
I have also had allies attack me during a battle. The Sicilians joined my Italians against some rebels that had taken Sicily and they sent 6 Royal Knights.
The rebels only had 200 peasants so I advanced my cav to hunt them down and make sure I wouldn't have to storm a castle to take the province. The Sicilians started behind me and I thought they were advancing but they attacked my archers behind my line. Did a proper job of slaughtering them as well. Same thing as TBKoB, I eventually defeated them but had to wait until my Royals got back to finish them off.
Only happened once, MTW 1.1. I have mistakenly and purposely attcked allies on the field before, especially when they are dumb enough to send a King where I can get him.
I think I must have had an ally attack me during a battle in STW even though I can't remember a specific case, because I always keep a beady eye on any allies during battles now.
I think the STW AI was generally more nasty/backstabbing than MTW.
A cultural thing really.
The Storyteller
10-03-2003, 13:34
Yes. During Medieval times, Europeans had difficulty spelling 'backstabbing' http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
MrWhipple
10-03-2003, 17:08
Hey, turn about is fair play, as they say. We all would do the same thing, given the right curcumstances, so why not alow the AI the same rights. I certantly have done the same thing to MY allies a few times. Payback is a bi%#h isn't it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
bighairyman
10-04-2003, 04:58
i always backstab my allies, if yhey are fight w/ me over a rich or important province. although i have rarly got backstabbed in battle, i often gets backstabbed in the straetgy section of the game. sometime weirds keep happening in my english game lately. the french always sent a army to my northurmia(they controll scotland). when they invade, they always back off when they see my superior but inferior in # troops. and always the nest couple of turn they sue for peace.
oh weel, it does give me a chance for some french head on a pike http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
MiniKiller
10-05-2003, 04:24
We can do it so why cant they? Maybe u cancelled it by mistake by attacking their units then recalling quickly.
Um maybe they just saw a weak spot and since they only had one province left, why not?
Marshal Murat
10-07-2003, 03:12
What i do in ally battles is try and let them take the full force, but the offensive instinct comes out.
Orda Khan
10-11-2003, 20:03
Sounds cool to me
......Orda
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