Garrisoning troops?

[galingula1]

Like lower support costs?
FOr some reason I seam to remember this

[hoom]

I've never heard of such thing.
Though it would be cool if it is true http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I like to garrison my... er... garrisons just to tidy up the map but if I'm getting a support cost bonus then all the better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[LadyAnn]

Peasants

Peasants are great for garrison:
1. Cheapest you could have for maintenance cost;
2. satisfy the 100 men minimum requirement.

Annie

[Fortebraccio]

Peasants are just so... aesthetically disappointing. I want my castles garrisoned by at least a couple of militia/halberdiers along with the vassal (always coming from the ranks of cavalry, as every nobleman should)
Peasants should be left to their farms, where they can be properly harassed by tax collectors and greedy landowners' henchmen. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[hoom]

Umm the question was whether putting units into castles rather than leaving them out in the map saves on support costs or not.

But since we'e ot:
Peasants are just plain useless.
A unit of Chiv Sergeants makes a great garrison because if you actually have a rebellion, they will take a good beating & you can use neighbouring garrisons to reinforce before the battle.

3 Chiv Sergeants is a way stronger garrison than 3 peasants.

If you really want to get tricky, try mixed garrisons.
With archers, chiv/left over feudal sergeants & left over urban militia/militia sergeants spread out, you can get a fairly decent spear/archer/militia army to counter rebellions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[bighairyman]

don't garrison ur self w/ peasants, last time there was a rebelling in aquitne, and then the spanish invaded me. i lost all my english provinces in france http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif . learn from my tragety

[Foreign Devil]

Its admittedly cheesy, but you can "garrison" a province with spies. They keep loyalty up and don't have pesky support costs. Of course, this only works for provences that do not border anyone else and are not vulnerable to enemy naval invasion (which is not hard to prevent).

Don't think there's a difference for units in a castle.

[The Last Emperor]

I would use Chiv Sergeants as garrison troops rather than peasants. A CS wif armour bonus make decent troops compared to peasants and from their unit's describtion, they seems supposed to be garrison troops in the first place.

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

Instead of one peasant I prefer two crossbows for garrisoning, the cost increase is marginal 37fl to 42fl I think, but you get some more men 120 to 100. Also at a pinch you can ship out one of the xbows and not denude the province completely.

Ofcourse if the loyalt is below 120% or its late in the game and rebellions are inevitable I woould keep a more balanced army with support in surrounding provinces.

[squippy]

My present standard garrison is 1 200-man peasant unit and one 120-man Urban Militia. These should rpesent enough resistance to most peasant uprisings. Of course I usually have a strike army watching the homeland region as well, often under the king and his sons.

[HopAlongBunny]

Peasants are my #1 choice. Cheap maintenance and 100 man unit-don't think it gets any better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Aesthetically disappointing perhaps, but I think of it as introducing the people to a civics education http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[tuopaolo]

Does it make any difference whether the units are actually garrisoned inside the castle as far as the 100 men requirement and loyalty goes?

[squippy]

I've not noticed any difference, no, but if I have more troops in a provicne than can be put in a fortification, I will leave them outside the fort. This is because I once had the troops in the fort bribed and had to seige it back.

[Spino]

Using Peasants of any kind (including javelin units, Slav & Celtic warriors) to man garrisons may be economical but it is just too 'gamey' for my tastes so I try to avoid doing so whenever possible. For garrisoning I try to use the most basic professional units at my disposal until they can be retired & replaced by superior ones. Unless the province is particularly rebellious two to three units of spears and missile troops work just fine.

In terms of the long term picture I try to keep all my garrison units at comparable tech levels to my standing armies. This helps alot when your armies are in desparate need of replacements and/or quality reinforcements.

[The_Emperor]

Peasants may be economical but they are very dangerous when you have a very large empire.

I once was playing as the HRE, I had crushed all but the far east and my borders were vast with a massive network of shipping.

Suddenly there was a storm in the Bay of Biscay, my ships were destroyed and cut off from The_Emperor. The next thing I knew of FOUR full tacks of High Quality troops appeared in those provinces when the English decided to come back onto the world stage http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

They trampled across most of France slaughtering the hapless Peasant garissons, and given that I was fighting big wars int he East I couldn't spare many troops from the lines. I had to train new armies to stop them on their march in the West.

Now if I had included one unit of Cavalry, Archers and Spearmen in each province I would soon have been able to withdraw and muster a defence, losing a lot less territory as a result.

Learn from my mistake, you should always be prepared for an unexpected uprising

[LadyAnn]

If using peasants, leave them in the fort (or retreat them to the fort). They can tough out a couple of years, enough to bring your army back and repulse the invader. But if you are garrisonning with high value troops, you will have to relieve siege right then and there. This removes option for you to raise army through other means, such as mercenaries (or you lose half of high value troops each year).

I try to play it closer to reality too. In Medieval time, armies are raised upon a war, not built up gradually. I always rely on Merc. for quick storming of a handful of provinces at a time. Only keep really elite troops as guards, posting at key provinces. The peasants are there just to guard off bandits (like in "Seven Samurai" movies).

Annie

[The_Emperor]

LadyAnn,

You do have a point about peasants being able to tough it out in a long siege situation, but that is assuming the enemy opts for the Starve-out scenario.

Sadly whenever I get invaded by overwhelming military might, chances are the peasants in the castle will be assaulted right away (this will cause some casualties to the enemy thanks to boiling oil and castle arrow towers, but the garisson will be slaughtered)

However would it be more effective to have good garisson troops from other provinces converge in a nearby province, have them hook up with your own garisson troops and fight back against the enemy quickly?

You could strike back with good troops you already had without the need to train up a seperate army first.

However having good quality garissons does increase the upkeep, some units such as Gallowglasses and Highlanders make cheap, good quality troops able to put up a fight. Those guys seem to be made for garrissons http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[MrWhipple]

I like to use "Regional Rescue Units". I pick provences that have high value as frontier areas or central provences that can get to many provences in a turn or two. For costal provences, I usually have a big fleet by early mid game and I keep a good army in a costal provence to rescue any other costal provence. This way you can use the fair Ladies sugestion to use pesants as garrisons. Much cheeper in the long run.

[Papewaio]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Oct. 07 2003,13:44)]The next thing I knew of FOUR full tacks of High Quality troops appeared in those provinces when the English decided to come back onto the world stage http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

They trampled across most of France slaughtering the hapless Peasant garissons, and given that I was fighting big wars int he East I couldn't spare many troops from the lines.

Learn from my mistake, you should always be prepared for an unexpected uprising
Well at least chalk one up to historical accuracy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif