Heirs these days

[de la Valette]

I have just started a campaign as the Turks and it seems that every heir i have is a disloyal little so and so who wants nothing more than to stab the Sultan in the back.

My question is how do i get their loyalty up, apart from through the "great builder" V&V? They all are 3/4* so sending them to their glorious death just seems a waste.

I have been keeping them in a separate stack to the rest of their army (which seems to stop revolts) but that requires serious micro-management in order to find a loyal general to put in charge. Is there anything else i can do?

[Sir Chauncy]

Well, as it happens there are a few things that you can try, the loyalty of the generals is linked to the Influence of your leader, be they a King or Sultan or whatever. This can increase by completing Crusades and the like, also by staying alive, helping out allies in battles and erm, err I'm struggling now, special events?

But there are other random vices and virtues that help, but they don't help you much,

The influence thing is the main one, take lands and don't lose them.

[Ulug Beg]

Try keeping the disloyal ones with the Sultan. That seems to work for me. Being heirs you can't give them titles.
If they were Christain you could always experiment with marrying them off to one of your princesses

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Quote[/b] (Ulug Beg @ Oct. 14 2003,18:00)]If they were Christain you could always experiment with marrying them off to one of your princesses
INBREED INBREED That's the way to go http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Mutate those babies

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Big King Sanctaphrax @ Oct. 14 2003,12:20)]
Quote[/b] (Ulug Beg @ Oct. 14 2003,18:00)]If they were Christain you could always experiment with marrying them off to one of your princesses
INBREED INBREED That's the way to go http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Mutate those babies
ROFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Kristaps]

For muslims: successful Jihads work wonders... Conquer a province leaving enemy garrison in the castle; withdraw; come back with a few Jihads and your sultan's influence shoots through the roof along with loyalty of those pesky heirs...

Note, that failed Jihads work exactly the opposite way... Lost a Jihad province with 4 Jihads sitting in it to rebels and my sultan's influence went to zero... Learned the hard way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

BTW, successful 4 Jihads launched at the same time could bring your sultan's influence to max along with peity... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Oaty]

When I have that problem I just take my son and ask who's your daddy whos your daddy yeah thats right now go off and be a loyal prince

[Papewaio]

Quote[/b] (oaty @ Oct. 14 2003,21:14)]When I have that problem I just take my son and ask who's your daddy whos your daddy yeah thats right now go off and be a loyal prince
Sounds a greek solution to me ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Urban Legend]

Has anyone has a heir rebelled?

Or the next in line rebelled?

[HopAlongBunny]

Heirs rebel? Yes Several times in fact.

First time was with the Turks come to think of it. If I didn't go to war almost immediately...and win...I found it very hard to keep the heirs in line.

Kristraps offers an excellent solution. Another way is to subdue the Byz and Egyptians (which you have to do anyhow)

[desdichado]

I had some of my best French heirs rebel and then the ba&$%rds came back over to my side very next turn. All they achieved was to destroy the infrastructure in my most important provinces and the worst things was I needed them too much so couldnt chop off their heads http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Never did recover from that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[de la Valette]

Thanks for the advice chaps. Thankfully a couple of quick gains against the Egyptians, rebels in north Africa and the Italians (who currently control most of Spain and some of north Africa (not for too much longer though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )) seems to have solved the problem.

I'm avoiding war with the byz as they are generating all of my trade income at the mo and they are being subdued by the Italians and Sicilians so no need to risk war just yet.

[Vanya]

GAH

Vanya can help youz...

Other than the Jihad option, you can do any of the following:

1) Keep all your heirs couped up with the king. Never let the li'll boogers out of your sight. As it stands, disloyal, backstabbing heirs are less likely to rebel if they are in the same province as the king.

2) Search out disloyal regular units and just disband the pigs. No need sending them on crazy missions unless you really need them badly. Just replace with new units. Repeat process until you weed out all the bad apples. A total ingrate son will never rebel if he has no following. Pruning the regular Joe Schmoes will accomplish this.

3) If yee sit and build for too long, your king gets perceived as a yellow-belly hedonist. The occasional war is good for the soul (and the soup).

4) Send out the imams. Build stuff. Give out titles. IE, if you have a prince with 4 loyalty and 3 acumen and another with 5 loyalty and 4 acumen... who do you give the governorship of a province to? If you give it to the 4 loyalty feller, you upped his loyalty to 5, so now you have a safer house. Of course, the other guys has mo' smarts, so you're giving up some cash to reward a brute you fear. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

GAH