View Full Version : Two horrible people...
MSAMiniKiller
01-13-2002, 23:53
Well I may never play online again, I havent been on for 3 or 4 months and made my return yesterday, I wanted to warm up (I was really rusty)so I ser the koku to 2k (I haveb een fighitng on 5-10k) anyway ********** began calling me a phony and that I was *ay and I am a newbie stealer, he said my 152H was gotten by cheating a fowl play, and that I sucked dic* This was totally off base but to top it off there was sumone else there, a person name **********, he began insulting me and calling me horrible names and talking about my peni* size, And saying i suck my moms...u know, I mean, I really felt horrible, this isnt nice and not fair, They may have ruined my online experience for good, all they did was flood the place with perverted sayings, I mean, has this placed changed that much in 4 months? I rememeber when only honouable people fought....now these morons come http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Edited by Cat, names gone
[This message has been edited by Catiline (edited 01-13-2002).]
Catiline
01-14-2002, 00:26
Sigh
As normal no names.
MiniKiller I understand why you're upset and you're right to be, this sort ofstuff is horrid and unneccessary, but I've removed the names for the sake of consistency
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Oderint dum metuant
solypsist
01-14-2002, 00:44
Yeah I know, here on the dojo, ********** was always ********** and *********** with **********. Of course, the no names policy belonged to ********** because we all can't be such **********..
[This message has been edited by Catiline (edited 01-13-2002).]
[This message has been edited by solypsist (edited 01-13-2002).]
I understand you MSAMiniKiller, however, what can you possibly gain by whining like a 7 year old? This "mommy, he hit me" mentality just doesn't belong to grown-ups.
Forgive me for being blunt, but there are always things that we don't like, either deal with them, or live with them.
just ignore the , someone had a sig of
"dont argue with an idoit because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experince."
i belive it applies here.
Apart from Cat's just editing...
I have to agree with MiniKiller.
In the recent months there has been a troubling increase of morons that swear and annoy people all the time, rude words galore.
I am feeling sick of Shogun MP lately, because of that.
I am sick of ignoring people, the same guys always come with hundreds of different names, unbelievable.
The foyer has become a showcase of the lamest actions...instead of a showcase of honour.
Bah.
Tera
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Kraellin
01-14-2002, 02:00
#ignore
#unignore
pretty much all you can do.
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
I get this/ got that sort of stick. The point is to get 152 honour you cant just beat newbies, unless you were to with 100 % ratio which probably isnt the case. They cant say that to me now but the jealous souls still think of something else to insult me by lol.
Catiline
01-14-2002, 03:01
LOL Very clever Soly
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Oderint dum metuant
Thanks for catching it, Cat.
[This message has been edited by Shiro (edited 01-13-2002).]
I just beaten a 118 guy.
Well, I beaten him, it was a comp game.
But just before the end of the match, he - the host, escaped. Thus game not recorded. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/mad.gif
He didn't lose his honour in number, but he did lose all his real honour anyway!
Tera
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Honour to Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.kenchi.cjb.net/).
I'm from Malta, but I'm not a Malteser. http://terazawa.totalwar.org/malta_md_clr.gif
Visit my resource site here! (http://terazawa.totalwar.org/)
Catiline
01-14-2002, 07:06
Doesn't account for legitimate multiple users of the same game, ie there's no way I'm letting my little bro' go on line with mine http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Oderint dum metuant
Quote Originally posted by evilc:
just ignore the , someone had a sig of
"dont argue with an idoit because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experince."
i belive it applies here. [/QUOTE]
That's Churchill's origionally I think
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ROFL..Zone does not rest [MIZILUS]
I don't play to win... I play not to lose ;)
P.S. smilies should work in the signature!
Nicks that can be traced to the owner. E.g. tootee is
1yang11an1 93
appleorange 102
goldfish 104
watermelon 100
...
It's a good thought Tootee, but ultimately useless. We've tried that before and for some reason it just never seems to work.
The problem is that only a small percentage of the online players actually go to the forums, let alone post!
Truth be told, the real problem is two-fold. First is that there is only one server and it is un-moderated. The only type of policing that goes on is what the online community takes on for themselves. That is virtually useless anyway without the ability to kick people off since any foul-mouthed @#$%^# can do what they want without fear of any immediate consequence. Only after continued and repeated abuse, not to mention the community being up in arms is action ever taken (ie the Demon and Tank incidents last summer and the Osama incident last fall).
This continued type of behavior is one of the reasons that I've been staying away from Shogun online. I'm well aware of the fact that I can "ignore" people on the server, and in fact, my ignore list is QUITE lengthy.
By the same token, why should I have to subject myself to either putting up with this type of behavior or having to take reactive action on my part just to be able to play a game that I enjoy?
The second portion to the problem is an issue that we've discussed on multiple occasions over the last 18 months...... the ladder itself.
Everyone, including CA recognize the problems that are inherent with the ladder structure and its ability to be easily manipulated. Magyar proved that to everyone well over a year ago with the now legendary SubadaiLives incident.
CA even initiated a discussion on this very forum asking for a better way to handle it, but in spite of all the responses (over 100 if I recall), nothing was done. I don't fault CA for this, as I'm sure it would have required a substantial amount of re-programming. I just hope that they can fix the problem before the release of MTW, or we'll have the same issues as we have now.
As some of you know, I've been dabbling into the world of Ghost Recon of late, and I'd like to share some of what I've seen and relate it back to the issues at hand as a model of how things should be.
As any of you who've tried it know, GR gives ANYONE the ability to host a server. That alone eliminates a significant number of problems with the children who come in with their attitudes and foul mouths. Although it isn't currently a feature, the ability to ban individuals will be added with a patch due out before the end of the month. As it stands now, anyone can initiate a vote to kick players off of the server. The results are immediate!
I have noticed that with very few exceptions, everyone playing on a server is VERY honorable! Cheats are dealt with quickly and finally. This also extends to the various Ghost Recon forums and especially the ladders. Because there is no centralized server hosting all games, separate gaming ladders have been established for competitive Clan play. These ladders have a formal organizational structure and deal with issues very quickly.
In fact, on one of the ladders, it was discovered that 2 Clans (one of the top5 ranked) were abusing the system. Both Clans were stripped of their accounts and kicked off the ladder within hours, their reputations destroyed. As it turned out, the leaders of the two Clans were the persons responsible, and their Clan's paid the price.
I have to admit that it is nice to once again play with a group of people to whom honor is more than just a number and a ranking on a ladder. I think what impresses me most though, is the ability to deal with dishonorable behavior swiftly and with finality.
The vast majority of the Shogun online community is equally honorable, but like an old dog, all we can do is growl.......we have no teeth.
And what is a Samurai without his sword?
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Obake
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
1master1Boromir
01-16-2002, 19:58
Ghost Recon here I come!!!
Boromir...
Kraellin
01-16-2002, 22:18
obake,
i've not played ghost yet, but i have played wolfenstein online. it's a similar situation. you can set up your own dedicated server and BE the host yourself. and they already have a vote system in place which functions much the same way you're saying about ghost. i've seen several votes come up to kick various players off for various reasons. they can also initiate a vote on which map to play next and so on. nice system. each player can not only host but also be his own admin. very workable.
there are apparently many main servers which host player servers. a player's server is logged to one of the main servers. he is then listed on that server and one can get a list of these various servers and refresh that list as well. the current one i'm on has over 900 player hosts, and that's just ONE of the main servers. i can also filter the list on that server with such filters as empty game, friendly fire on/off, and some other options. when i refresh the list it gives me the player host name, what map they are playing, the game mode, and the current ping to that host. i can sort this list by any of the categories and i normally sort it by ping to get the lowest pings on the top of the list. i then highlight this game and accept. the main server then connects me up to the player's server (his computer) and i'm in.
i've tried setting myself up as a server but i'm still missing some info on how to do this. what i've noticed is that when you register your game to the main servers you are set up with a 'console' window which is separate from the game. this apparently is your admin control for the game. it operates a lot like a dos window and might even be one. not sure. but it has some info displayed on what's going on and a command line for entering your admin type commands.
the major drawback is that there isnt one central place to go and chat between games with all the other folks playing, but with literally thousands of folks playing i guess this wouldnt be too feasible anyways.
there is another feature in rtcw that can act as an anti-cheat process. when you die in the game there is a short time before you respawn, normally around 20 to 30 seconds....host option. while yer waiting it puts you in the viewpoint of another player. you see what he/she sees. thus, if this player happens to be cheating, you see it and can then report it. so, all folks in the game are also functioning as observers. you can also click thru the players and see what each is doing. i was amazed at one point while watching a fellow. he could go instantly to any point on the map, have any weapon he wanted, get ammo or medical supplies any time he wanted. in other words, he was obviously running a 'trainer', or cheat program. a vote was taken and he was booted. nice system...self administration. nice.
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
MagyarKhans Cham
01-17-2002, 01:03
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i think there are 3 people harrasing teh foyer continuosly
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nice idea krae
Boro; we're waiting!
Krae; I was fairly confident that RTCW would be similar in setup and administrative capabilities to GR. I hope that any of the developers reading this thread will take some of the suggestions to heart so that when MTW is released, it will remain a joy to play for many moons to come.
I'm not sure how much of the Admin features that are available in games like GR and RTCW could be built into MTW, I guess that it will depend on how CA and Activision intend on implementing online play and that's a business/technical decision that I'm sure they've already made. The problem from a programming perspective is that STW was peer-to-peer rather than client/server like GR and RTCW.
Regardless of anything else, I truly understand Minikiller's issues, which is the main reason the Ugly's were formed by Elmark and myself and also why the only true "rule" that we established was that there would be NO Comp battles fought using the Ugly name! That alone eliminated virtually all complaints on those rare occasions where we actually won a battle. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Obake
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
ElmarkOFear
01-19-2002, 01:52
Boro, get your butt to the Ugly Forum and let us know how to get in touch with you!! Bring any of your teammates that are interested as well. If you have forgotten the pass, send email: el-marko@home.net and I will send it to you. PS. The "don't argue with any idiot...." tag has been used by Obake for many months now. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
what was SubudaiLives incident ?
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