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Doug-Thompson
10-17-2003, 22:53
I like to help out the Hungarians and the Poles whenever possible. Novgorod and the Papal States too.
Why?
Because they can't launch Crusades. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The more of Christiandom they rule, the fewer and the weaker the Crusades will be against my Muslim faction.
The fact that the Pope is always crying out for a Crusade, while the Papal States can't launch any, is a hoot.
[Editing note: Sicily and Aragon can launch crusades. The original post incorrectly referred to them.]
The_Emperor
10-17-2003, 23:43
I prefer to raid the Papal States and Rome by sea, eliminate the Papcy burn everything and then leave it to the Rebel bandits.
The reason is that Hungary, Aragon, the Poles and Sicily tend to get in the way of my own expansion efforts.
Of course the papacy does come back eventually but it gives you a nice breathing space for crusades.
TheSilverKnight
10-18-2003, 00:22
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Oct. 17 2003,17:43)]I prefer to raid the Papal States and Rome by sea, eliminate the Papcy burn everything and then leave it to the Rebel bandits.
The reason is that Hungary, Aragon, the Poles and Sicily tend to get in the way of my own expansion efforts.
Of course the papacy does come back eventually but it gives you a nice breathing space for crusades.
Actually you can't launch crusades while the Pope is eliminated.
The_Emperor
10-18-2003, 00:28
Quote[/b] (TheSilverKnight @ Oct. 18 2003,00:22)]Actually you can't launch crusades while the Pope is eliminated.
Exactly, and neither can the AI... remember we are talking about the player being a Muslim Faction at the time.
But Aragon and Polish can launch nasty inquisitions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Annie
Leet Eriksson
10-18-2003, 01:15
Never tried this yet,but anyone attempted to luanch crusades while the papacy is under your control(ie placing a puppet pope events pops out)?
The_Emperor
10-18-2003, 01:21
Quote[/b] (LadyAnn @ Oct. 18 2003,01:08)]But Aragon and Polish can launch nasty inquisitions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Annie
Very true M'lady, but those Syrian assassins can make good work of nasty men in pointy hats... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (faisal @ Oct. 17 2003,20:15)]Never tried this yet,but anyone attempted to luanch crusades while the papacy is under your control(ie placing a puppet pope events pops out)?
Yes i have, once as the italians.
It will tell you that "Since there is no pope, a crusade cannot be declared"
It is annoying since technically there is a "pope". However since he is not truthfully a "holy man" but a "puppet", he cannot authorize a Holy War.
Edit: i havnt tried this since 1.1, and am currently running 2.01, Maybe it has changed since then...
The Wizard
10-18-2003, 09:30
I tried it with my French campaign yesterday... nothing. What do you have a puppet pope for if he doesn't declare crusades? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
- You can attack your catholic neighbours without being excommunicated.
- Other faction will stop launching crusades against you.
- The Pope will not invade your lands (if you are playing Italians).
The Wizard
10-18-2003, 14:21
Oh... right. Forgot. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
If I'm not playing a Christian campaign, I'm usually not all too bothered by Crusades. I usually just slaughter the men, so far away from home. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Ironside
10-19-2003, 09:03
Had a really funny pope once as the Italians. The pope declared war at me and refused to athourise my crusades (yes the pope can do that).
The funny part was that he asked for peace once in a while and the next year he attacked me, but during that turn of peace I could lunch a crusade. My king was very pious when he died after 4 successful crusades. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
o_loompah_the_delayer
10-19-2003, 15:31
What happens to crusades already in progress if/ when the Pope is conquered? Does the crusade disband and ransomed back? Or does it simply stop in that province or continues?
The Wizard
10-19-2003, 15:34
It gets disbanded and everyone in your country gets angry. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
A.Saturnus
10-20-2003, 00:15
AFAIK nothing happens to a crusade if the pope gets eliminated. It simply goes on to it`s destination.
The Wizard
10-20-2003, 11:54
But.. but.. well I had once this message:
"Because the Pope can no longer support the Crusade, it has been disbanded."
Or summat like that. I swear http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif
NewJeffCT
10-20-2003, 19:41
I have seen Aragonese crusades in 1.1, and I think Sicilian, but I am not 100% sure on Sicily...
The Wizard
10-20-2003, 20:19
Aragonese can make Crusades, they even have a GA quest to make a succesful Crusade to Antioch. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
o_loompah_the_delayer
10-20-2003, 20:58
I think I will try this sometime over the coming week - launch a crusade and then beat up the pope. This should also answer the question what happens to a factions crusade if that faction gets excommunicated. This will also give me a chance to have a go as the Italians aftre a long while
NewJeffCT
10-20-2003, 22:10
Actually, I do think that maybe if the Danes, Poles & Hungarians were bigger/more viable later in the middle ages, they might very well have launched Crusades. I'm not 100% up on Polish history, but I think their peak as an Empire/Nation was over by the time MTW starts in 1087?
tuopaolo
10-20-2003, 22:17
Aragon and Siciliy can make crusades.
Doug-Thompson
10-20-2003, 22:20
Quote[/b] (tuopaolo @ Oct. 20 2003,16:17)]Aragon and Siciliy can make crusades.
Will edit the original post to correct this.
lancer63
10-21-2003, 01:38
I once lost my Sicilian crusading army to Greece because the Hungarians took it from the Turks before I could get there http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
If that is so? Then why do I take provinces that are claimed later by an arriving crusade? And I have to relinquish it to the lazy blokes if I don't want to be x commed and at war with the crusader's king too? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Is that an AI cheat too?
The Wizard
10-21-2003, 09:49
Quote[/b] (NewJeffCT @ Oct. 20 2003,16:10)]Actually, I do think that maybe if the Danes, Poles & Hungarians were bigger/more viable later in the middle ages, they might very well have launched Crusades. I'm not 100% up on Polish history, but I think their peak as an Empire/Nation was over by the time MTW starts in 1087?
If I look at the shots on a site with armies... it came with the entrance of Winged Hussars... which was after MTW ends. =/
o_loompah_the_delayer
10-22-2003, 12:51
Ok I tried this as Italy. The crusades continue as normal even without the Pope and even if you get excommed. The only difference is that you cannot start new crusades.
1218 Italian crusade from Venice targets Livonia, Venice --> Kiev
1219 Italy invades Papal lands
Crusade Kieve --> Lithuania
English Crusade heading for Palestine arrives in Milan
German crusade to Tripoli arrives in Venice
1220 Italy is excommed
Crusade Lithuania --> Livonia, begins seige
English crusade Milan --> Tuscany
German crusade Venice --> Tripoli, begins seige
1221 Rome assaulted, Pope eleiminated
English crusade Tuscany --> Palestine, begins seige
1222 Italian crusaders take Livonia
German crusaders take tripoli
Englich crusade thrown out of Palestine by Egyptians, returns to Tripoli with only 156 men and then dwindles away over 4 yrs.
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