View Full Version : Where have all the Yari Cavs gone?
BomilkarDate
01-19-2002, 19:56
I noticed that I have not met anybody using Yari Cavs online for quite a long time. I do like these guys, they can do some things no one else can. But nevertheless nearly no one uses them, or am I wrong? I meet loads of people using 4 Naginata Cavs or so, but no one cares about Yari cavs. I think they take out a Nag cav in frontal assault. Heavy cavs and Cav Archers are used sometimes but where have all the Yari cavs gone? I think they are still worth their money, to take out Cav Archers, for scouting, to flank monks (try it, it works), or rout enemy gunners or other cool things. So I got two questions, why does nobody use them? And if you do use them what for?
------------------
Strength and honour
Bomilkar Date
theforce
01-19-2002, 20:19
I have seen a lot of guys using them since they are good at facing other cav units, too.
------------------
Don't use only honour, use theforce, too. http://lod.nipogames.com/default.html
[This message has been edited by theforce (edited 01-19-2002).]
Heavy Cav and Nag cav are the most popular.
In old STW HC was absolete for most players...and NC didn't exist. YC were used by everyone, everywhere, anywhere.
Now HC beats everything except a YS easily...a h2 HC will beat a h3 monk...
NC is very good...it will take much damage vs monks et al but it will always do good.
YC loses vs monks (even if it kills NC itself)...and it's melee is low...and if you don't flank with it...it shall suck...and it's even more expensive than NC, so...it's been dumbed.
Nag cavs were the only used before 1.02 and many use them after 1.02 too...even though I laugh my arse off when I see many Nag cavs...they will be breakfast for my Heavy cavs... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
------------------
Honour to Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.kenchi.cjb.net/).
I'm from Malta, but I'm not a Malteser. http://terazawa.totalwar.org/malta_md_clr.gif
Visit my resource site here! (http://terazawa.totalwar.org/)
[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 01-19-2002).]
MagyarKhans Cham
01-20-2002, 00:38
My Khan mostly deploys at least one in hi s army
BSM_Skkzarg
01-20-2002, 03:58
Tera,
"Now HC beats everything except a YS easily" - is not exactly accurate. Seems that HC have a problem with Nagi's too!
ROFL - u know I had to mention that!
Qapla!
------------------
BSM_Skkzarg
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."
You still dreaming BSM! We shall do that HC vs Nag match whenever you wish...
You test offline...I test online, believe me, it's different.
Tera
------------------
Honour to Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.kenchi.cjb.net/).
I'm from Malta, but I'm not a Malteser. http://terazawa.totalwar.org/malta_md_clr.gif
Visit my resource site here! (http://terazawa.totalwar.org/)
Solution is make Yari cav worth a bit less than NC.
i use yc often!
they are pretty good, yes they have less melee but a charge of 15 http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
against all this nc they do always good.
and if i flank, well ...with this chargebonuss they are very dangerous...
imo its just the mix, the most guys cant control so many different units, so they choose mostly 4 of each typ.
i have sometimes a single naginata or 1 or 2 sams with me....
so i have sometimes 8 different units in my army....its just the mix and the controlling...
koc
theforce
01-20-2002, 16:48
YC is nice guys. Not only you can have it to face other cavalry if they rush but also l think is also the fastest cavalry unit except CA so is good for killing or rushing at projectile units. With cav so popular these days a good mobile blocking cav unit is nice l think.
------------------
Don't use only honour, use theforce, too.
http://lod.nipogames.com/default.html
If YC was a little stronger in frontal hand to hand (NC beats monks, YC doesn't for example) it would be perfect.
Koc, take into consideration that not everyone is good as you are with cavs http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
------------------
Honour to Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.kenchi.cjb.net/).
I'm from Malta, but I'm not a Malteser. http://terazawa.totalwar.org/malta_md_clr.gif
Visit my resource site here! (http://terazawa.totalwar.org/)
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
01-20-2002, 19:59
I've never been able to use yaricav effectively online. The maps are so small that any scouting ends up putting ur yari cavs in the enemy army straight away.
But hey I mabe wrong about it!
------------------
Grand Master of
The Knights Templar
"non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomine tuo da gloriam"
BomilkarDate
01-21-2002, 02:00
I for my part do like the Yari Cavs, too. But still I think they are used way too seldom. the last three or for times I used a Yari Cav they had more than 100 kills two times (units of 60 men) and once they even saved me as a Yari Cav was the only unit not trying to run, but keep on fighting the enemy general. Later I was able to get some other men back and I won. But people nevertheless neglect Yari Cavs. And yes Tera you are right, HC eat NC for breakfast.
------------------
Strength and honour
Bomilkar Date
CaPeFeAr
01-21-2002, 06:28
when i use yc they are always low honor.... i never try to engage them in the main battle but if a missle unit becomes open for attack i will let them loose. they are great for chasing men off the field and engageing archers or muskets... as long as the battle is going well the low honor of the yc will be enough to take on any missle unit even under fire. at zero honor, yc is a cheap unit with a lot of uses... i dont think they are worth beefing up .....the money is better spent on hc.
------------------
do you have a comment to make, a question to ask, or a concern about a current fearful ways member? plz feel free to stop by
Fearful Ways - The Mori Family (http://www.FearfulWays.com)
Ever wonder why nag units are so feared by enemies? Well, let me tell you why...
Anyone with a 'significant other' or a mother has been subjected to nagging. And we all know when they nag us, it means they are getting nasty with us. And who wants to undergo that psychological abuse anyway? Nag units are those that specialize in the black arts of nagging people to death. Nag units therefore drive enemies insane; their morale plummets and they rout with ease as a result. They just can't take it anymore!
And that is why nag units are so feared. Heavy cav? Pig-sticker cav? GAH! Nagy cav will always rule! As do Nagy Infantry! GAH!
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
01-22-2002, 04:11
I have to agree with tera hee guys. beefy HC can do te impossible.The just ride over NC laughing as the little men get tampled t death on their Shetland Ponies.
NC are a waste of time. The description says a powerful unit that can exploit any gap (or there abouts) thats utter crap!Most of the times I use NC to exploit a gap, where there unit is supposed to be becomes a gap bc they are all dead!
------------------
Grand Master of
The Knights Templar
"non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomine tuo da gloriam"
shingenmitch2
01-22-2002, 22:53
I regularly use YC.
Come try to flank me w/ your HC, NC or get ur CA too close and I'll show you their value.
Oh, and if I can get in front and behind ur YS w/ my YC I can even take them down.
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
01-23-2002, 01:54
Ah ha a challenge! would love to take it up, but i have dial-up and crap computer so i just crash!
------------------
Grand Master of
The Knights Templar
"non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomine tuo da gloriam"
YC get the yari bonus against other cav types and are therefore a good anti-cav unit. Against infantry they don't get that bonus, and a good part of their hth power vs infantry is in the charge. Their high speed makes them most suitable as a flanker. For best effect, a flanking attack should be coordinated with a frontal infantry assault. There isn't much chance to use the YC's flanking ability in the larger battles on small maps. If you have to go head-to-head against enemy shock infantry, the NC and HC are better choices.
It's important to utilize the charge with all the cav types. An NC can actually defeat a WM if the charge is fully utilized. A frontal assualt on YS or YA is always bad because the yari cancels the cav's charge bonus if the attack comes from the front.
NC can exploit a gap in the enemy lines, not necessarily make the gap, because its morale is high enough to withstand the flanking penalty suffered as it goes through the gap, and its attack value is high enough to get some quick kills once it's through. HC is less suited for that because it is slower, has lower morale and a lower attack value. HC would be a good unit to fill such a gap and keep the enemy cav out.
All these roles overlap to some degree, and, depending on your style of play, you may do better with one particular cav type. So far, I do best with the NC in online games.
MizuYuuki ~~~
Clan Takiyama ~~~
Vanya's Yari Cav of the People: Arquebusiers riding bicycles downhill onto the enemy while popping off a few rounds with the big gun.
Vanya's Heavy Cav of the People: Arquebusiers riding piggy-back on the backs of Sumo warriors running (or rolling) downhill while popping off a few rounds with the big gun.
[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 01-23-2002).]
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.