View Full Version : Time Commanders 23rd Oct
Sir Chauncy
10-23-2003, 22:59
Yahoo Oliphaunts God they were so cool. Did you see when they charged into the back of the Phalanx and tossed men all over the place? Then there was the time when the 'other' historian chap was saying that perhaps it was best for the team was to wait and react to what the other side was doing. Mr Nusbacher was in the background shaking his head? I noticed it because it went against everything he had said in every other episode about making the other side react to your moves and not losing the initiative.
I thought that the team sucked really though, they only won because the Generals didn't actually 'help' too much.
Still the episode was a good one.
ShadesPanther
10-23-2003, 23:15
w00t finally saw some hoplites http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif and elephants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif tbh Al was quite good but I think he was too busy argueing with the woman to be very good. The leftenants did save the day tho
My only hope is that it gets posted on the TWC forums, damn i hate not being able to watch it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
The_Emperor
10-23-2003, 23:28
Oh yes those Hoplites were awesome, but as Mr Nusbacher said it was a victory but it was a hollow one because they lost so many men.
Had the team been more careful with their Elephants and Cavalry they could have really rolled up those Hoplite formations in a more decisive win.
The initial cavalry attack on the Hoplite formation from behind was a waste because they allowed them to turn their spears towards their Cavalry. The second didn't do much better, they were just lucky their Elephants managed to connect with the rear of the Hoplite battle, before the enemy light infantry got to them
But they didn't have the advantage of numbers unlike previous teams so they did win by some good management... Even if it wasn't done by the tactics of the Generals.
Anyone else like the new updated map table view for the Generals? I thought it was a really cool feature http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The show gets better and better
ShadesPanther
10-23-2003, 23:36
I think its more of a fact that the "man off the street" will never win without serious help. It is cool tho because those blocks were never used when the nattle started
Orda Khan
10-23-2003, 23:52
Could you say that again? I didn't quite hear you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
......Orda
chilling
10-24-2003, 00:58
I liked that overhead view. I hope that's a new feature.
Quote[/b] (Orda Khan @ Oct. 23 2003,23:52)]Could you say that again? I didn't quite hear you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
......Orda
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Mithrandir
10-24-2003, 01:26
I dont get it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
(deleted 2 double/triple (?) posts).
Unfair
No BBC2 and Cilo can't provide me with vids... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif It sounded like a great battle.
frogbeastegg
10-24-2003, 11:11
The new map was great, now if only they would stick a mini version in the corner of the screen like a certain game we all know and love....
Did anyone see what happened to the massive AI flank attempt on the right flank? One minute there was half an army about to pulverise the engaged phalanx line from behind, the next the AI had vanished. I had to answer the phone ( http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ) at this point so I probably missed the good bit. It looked the team had lost but when I came back they had won.
The highlight award for funniest moment goes to :drum roll: the flying soldiers I loved the funny animations for the unfortunate souls knocked in the air by elephants, I can see me using elephants a lot just to see it I can also see a regiment of mice handlers in every army to scare the big grey lugs off I may even splash out and give each soldier a bag of peanuts for emergency use when cornered by an elephant (NB: elephants are scared of mice and they like peanuts, and anyone giving them peanuts. Well known facts)
Dramatic moment of the week: The phalanx clash and the subsequent meat grinder battle. The phalanx has been wonderfully put together, all those bristling pike points, the close order, and the shuffling soldiers keeping the alignment....
rasoforos
10-24-2003, 12:03
grrrr...i missed it I was in the library at the time and i missed it...that ll teach me to study at home from now on http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
The Wizard
10-24-2003, 13:30
LOL... my first chance to see hoplites and elephants and then I forget to watch... LMFAO... wait.. that isn't funny at all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
ShadesPanther
10-24-2003, 14:21
hmm there was an error when i posted and it must have multiplied it many times http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Parmenio
10-24-2003, 15:17
The coolest thing to me was the complete lack of Hollywood Egyptian Head-dress and Chariots syndrome. The Ptolemic side actually looked like a real Hellenistic Successor Army.
I'm in two minds about the overhead real-time map. It perhaps works too well.
I would so much have loved to see a pikephalanx shovingmatch.
The pics provided me with enough of a lure that I was almost jumping up and down
Lord of the Isles
10-24-2003, 15:37
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Oct. 23 2003,22:28)]The initial cavalry attack on the Hoplite formation from behind was a waste because they allowed them to turn their spears towards their Cavalry. The second didn't do much better, they were just lucky their Elephants managed to connect with the rear of the Hoplite battle, before the enemy light infantry got to them
But they didn't have the advantage of numbers unlike previous teams so they did win by some good management... Even if it wasn't done by the tactics of the Generals.
That Cavalry attack on the left wing was this week's "screaming at the TV" moment for me. If they'd just waited until the lines of heavy infantry were engaged and then sent the Cavalry into the rear of the enemy phalanx, what a slaughter they'd have had. Instead they attacked too early and the phalanx was able to turn and defeat them.
For info: this week's episode was a "C-list celebrity special": the generals were a standup comedian and a news reader, the lieutenants were soap actors. My expectations were low but in fact they were bright people (that'll teach me to go with stereotypes).
I thought the stupid dual generals setup was exposed as folly again. The generals argued about which flank their elephants should go on even during deployment. Eventually they compromised on one unit on each wing, resulting in one unit (of 8 elephants) turning round and trotting back to where it started from
Both generals had reasonable ideas I thought but at some point there has to be one person in charge. Thank goodness that, for the first episode I can remember, the Lieutenants were fairly competent and also took some decisions themselves. Their attack on the enemy elephants with light infantry and missile troops was interesting: elephants look as though they are very vulnerable to missiles.
Well I thought it was great, for the last few episodes I was beginning to get really sick of the same thing, with the contestants getting massacred everytime.
I thought the new map worked well, at least it gave them a chance a vistory and could see where their troops were.
Could nto agree more about screaming at the TV, all they had to do was wait until the infantry were engaged and they would have kick ass. I do think though that the flank attacks weakened the enemy and thus when it came to the shove knowing that the Selucid phalanx was stronger they had stolen the edge.
They also had more time to deploy as the Sels did not attack stright away, i dont know if this is accurate but it seemed on other episodes as soon as they started to deploy they would be attacked and killed.
For me the funniest bit was with the recon cav when they were attacked and three were killed, where did the rest go, mmm strikes me that time was up so they were quitely removed, no chance of them returning hehe..
When the hell is Time Commander (or an American rip-off of TC) coming to the States I just got digital cable and the History Channel seems like the perfect place to host this kind of show http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
ShadesPanther
10-24-2003, 21:52
It will be on some chatshow channel like usa (think thats he one with wrestling)or something.
I doubt very much that it will come out in us because only popular games like weakest link etc go to usa and TC only drawns 1.2 million or something
o_loompah_the_delayer
10-25-2003, 12:27
Quote[/b] (Lord of the Isles @ Oct. 24 2003,09:37)]Their attack on the enemy elephants with light infantry and missile troops was interesting: elephants look as though they are very vulnerable to missiles.
Yes I aslo got that impression, but perhaps there is something special about these greek archers? On the other side the Egyptian cavalry (though of low valour/ morale)routed after beign first held up by light infantry, and then being shot up a bit by the Selucid archers. I dont think that would have happened in MTW
Regarding the selucid right flank, on the radar map it looked rather dangerous, but presumably they big clumps were the arab hillmen and archers who chased the elephants as the ran around and crashed into the back of the selucid centre. So they are not very effective troops as such and diddnt flank, bu instead chased after the elephants and routed cavalry?
Also routing phalanx (pl. phalanges? sounds like the Franco's spaniards to me) need to drop their pikes when they run away
I was also surprised/ dissapointed that the AI didnt use its cavalry more aggresively. On the left after the Egyptians had pulled of their cav to charge in to the back of the selucids, I thought the selucid cavalry was waiting to do the same to the Egyptian line after they had started fighting, but instead they just went after the archers after the Egyptian left flank had already been routed.
lanky316
10-25-2003, 12:49
Quote[/b] (Parmenio @ Oct. 24 2003,09:17)]I'm in two minds about the overhead real-time map. It perhaps works too well.
One thing people seem to have missed about this isit actually operates on a delay, for example when the light infantry was charged by the elephants the board still showed them making the approach.
This means that although it does help, you cannot rely on it as you lose all initiative of the battle, your reactions are too slow.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif One question: when elephants or cavalry or etc. are charging in the back of a unit, do the last lines of that unit turn to face the enemy?
This is quite important in my opinion, both for gameplay and realism.
The Wizard
10-25-2003, 22:41
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Oct. 24 2003,09:35)]I would so much have loved to see a pikephalanx shovingmatch.
The pics provided me with enough of a lure that I was almost jumping up and down
Then go to TWC to see a couple of TC movies... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
If what you say is true, you'll faint when you see 'em http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Well, Wolf, advertising? Your head will be chopped sooner or later http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif Maybe I'll have the chance to do it. Make it your last wish please.
Knight_Yellow
10-26-2003, 01:25
The team were mostly compitent
apart from the Bird.
Al and Gary could have won that on their own without the bird and the other guy.
you know the best thing about TC?, from the looks of it the AI doesnt march up to your lines then only send 1 unit at a time anymore.
it engages its main force then flanks
yay
Indeed, the AI is much better or so I've heard, but I'm afraid for the AI having some moves already programmed.
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 25 2003,16:41)]Then go to TWC to see a couple of TC movies... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
If what you say is true, you'll faint when you see 'em http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Oh, I downloaded them right away when they got posted...
But Raphia just looked that much better than the other battles. Pike vs Pike... That simply looked so cool with those grainy shots, I can only imagine how impressive it must have been to watch directly.
Too bad Cilo haven't got time anymore.
The Wizard
10-26-2003, 12:56
Yup... a pity, cuz i was stupid enough to miss it when it was on http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif
Once the Phalanx were engaged in there 'meat grinder' battle, it looked they were about to lose, their centre was about to give way. But at that crucial time the flanks of the Phalanx won and were able to drive the victory home.
It was excellent to watch. You can just imagine the generals screaming to just hold the centre that be longer.
The Wizard
10-27-2003, 19:26
Is that a threat Nowake? First remove my full helmet... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Frankymole
10-27-2003, 23:33
Quote[/b] (pr Fire @ Oct. 25 2003,22:15)]when elephants or cavalry or etc. are charging in the back of a unit, do the last lines of that unit turn to face the enemy?
This is quite important in my opinion, both for gameplay and realism.
Yes, they did, even the Seleucids (so it's not just Roman cohorts)...
ShadesPanther
10-28-2003, 00:01
They seleucids hoplites did because they were not engaged at the front and i would think that they woud but only the back line with the pikes in the air would turn to face them
GAH
Has this been made into a TWC movie yet? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
GAH
The Wizard
10-28-2003, 20:41
No, Cilo has no time anymore =(
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 28 2003,13:41)]No, Cilo has no time anymore =(
GAH
WHAT?? He died and left no heirs to take over?? How MTW of him... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
GAH
Quote[/b] (Vanya @ Oct. 28 2003,17:34)]
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 28 2003,13:41)]No, Cilo has no time anymore =(
GAH
WHAT?? He died and left no heirs to take over?? How MTW of him... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
GAH
No, how 56-bug of him. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
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