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To all concerned........
At the end of last Time Commanders 23/10 it was announced that the program will from now on be aired on monday (on a different time as well). Whether they mean upcoming monday I don't know but still....be warned
JeromeGrasdyke
10-24-2003, 09:00
Yep, last I heard it was going to be a 6 pm slot rather than 8, and it's also been shortened from an hour to forty-five minutes. It should suit the format a lot better...
frogbeastegg
10-24-2003, 10:59
Question - does this mean it is popular enough to move to a better slot or is it being moved to a lesser spot because few people are watching it?
So far as I know (about 2CM as far as TV goes) the 8PM slot is the more prestigious, 6PM is for junk like the endless re-runs of the Simpsons season 2 If the programme isn't getting the viewers it could wind up cancelled http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
trickytree
10-24-2003, 12:33
It's ratings have dwindled to around 1.7 million compared to the 7 wonders of the industrial world thingy afterwards that attracts a healthy 4 million odd - although that is an unusually high rating for BBC2.
To be fair to Time Commanders, it's in a very tough time slot against big-hitters like Superstars and The Bill. All three shows are likely to appeal to a not entirely dissimilar audience.
I think it's moving to 6.45 which whilst undoubtedly a bit less prestigious could be good for the show. It tends to be the Beeb's geek slot with stuff like Star Trek, Buffy, Robot Wars and (I believe) Fightbox going in there. I suspect this slot may suit Time Commanders a lot better.
Admittedly the beeb might be demoting Time Commanders in order to see out this series and kill it. If you look at the show from an objetive point of view (ie someone who couldn't give a monkeys about R:TW) the show could seem a bit repetitive from episode to episode. Certainly cutting it to 45 mins will trim the fat and I personally think that's a good thing.
If a culty audience can be built then I'm sure the show will be recomissioned.
ShadesWolf
10-24-2003, 13:16
I believe they said the next episode would be Nov 4 (Monday) I would assume this means that this is the second series.
OK Ive just got the following info confirmed from the radiotimes web site
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Date: Monday 03 November Time: 6:45pm to 7:30pm
Episode
Qadesh
Review
Military strategy game in which contestants recreate historical battles, presented by Eddie Mair
ShadesWolf
10-24-2003, 13:19
Erm this is an interesting one... Qadesh gives a search result of a battle dating back to 1300 BC (1289)
the armies of Rameses II of Egypt and the Hittite king Muwatallis ...
The Wizard
10-24-2003, 13:28
OMG I just realised... I forgot to watch yesterday http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
frogbeastegg
10-24-2003, 14:17
The battle of Qadesh? I think this sums up my feelings on the matter:
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Now we know why those Egyptian chariots etc. look so Ancient Egypt http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Brutal DLX
10-24-2003, 14:28
I don't have a clue what this Time Commanders show is, but of course I know the battle of Kadesh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
chilling
10-24-2003, 15:05
Time commanders isn't listed for next week http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Maybe we miss next Thursday and It'll follow on the following Monday.
He're hoping it hasn't finished.
chilling
10-24-2003, 15:23
Ah, great. we get the quicksand slot.
Its liable to disappear and shift if something vitally important like Snooker, Darts or... God forbid... Golf comes along.
Monday 03 November
6:45pm
BBC2
Time Commanders
Tuesday 04 November
6:00pm
BBC2 Scotland
Time Commanders
ShadesPanther
10-24-2003, 18:19
yes it is a danger spot. TBH why did they replace the simpsons with some crap noone watches? I fear it could happen to TC
Qadesh... That sounds odd, but all those Egyptian units will fit it fairly well, and it shouldn't be too hard to create a Hittite army of all the units we have. Plenty of Syrian Peasants, a number of chariots and some archers and spearmen.
ShadesWolf
10-24-2003, 20:22
Greetings Danny Boy, long time no see http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Well you too Iron. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
o_loompah_the_delayer
10-25-2003, 12:30
Wasnt Kadesh long long before the period in RTW? I am pretty sure Ramses died quite a while before Rome was even established, and the Cretans were the dominant folks in Greece at that time?
I would like to see the Partians at Carhae, and perhaps a battle in the various Parthian civil wars - orse archers v horse archer (though I cant think of any but then I am ignorant of most of their history)
frogbeastegg
10-26-2003, 11:10
The Battle of Qadesh (also Kadesh depending on translation of hieroglyphics) took place around 1300BC. The Egyptians under Rameses II took on King Muwatallish of the Hittites in a battle that had been brewing for many years. Both armies had chariots, heavy infantry, light infantry and archers so they were reasonably matched in terms of technology.
The actual battle is one of those cases where you have to piece together two accounts and try to get something vaguely realistic. Both the Egyptian and the Hittite accounts survive and they don't agree with each other in several vital areas - like who won Both sides claim to have won, Rameses claims divine intervention and his personal heroism saved the day. The Hittites claim the Egyptians fought like idiots.
The Egyptian corps of Re is attacked by a large force of Hittites as it crosses the plain of Qadesh. The corps is destroyed and the survivors scatter in panic. The Hittite chariotry then attacks the Egyptian camp and the division of Amen is routed. Rameses puts up a fight with his personal chariot corps and the Hittites are forced to withdraw. A second detachment of Hittites arrives at the battle to reinforce the first and together they attack the Egyptian camp again. The Egyptians are about to be crushed when Ne'arin and his force of chariots and infantry arrive and save the Pharaoh. The Hittites are forced to retreat and many of them are driven into the nearby river and drown. The division of Ptah arrives late in the day and finishes the mopping up of Hittite survivors.
The next day Rameses decimated Amen and Ra divisions for their 'personal abandonment'. He also claims to have won the battle on his own. The Hittites still have a large force and retain control over the fortress of Qadesh so they are achieving their objectives and in a good position to fight on. The Egyptians have taken losses (made worse by the decimation) and they still haven't assaulted the walls of Qadesh - they have achieved little. Somehow (both accounts are vastly different and there is no general opinion on which is correct) a peace treaty is drawn up and the Egyptians return home. The Hittites follow them making sure they keep their word. Both sides them write their accounts.
That is a general overview of the most common battle write up, there are many variations out there. The programme should be very interesting - I wonder which side they will have winning the real battle? The Egyptians are the more popular 'winners' but the Hittites have the better case in many ways.
The Wizard
10-26-2003, 12:50
The problem is there is no Hittite faction... or are they gonna use the Pontus as Hittites? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
frogbeastegg
10-27-2003, 11:24
There are also supposed to be some Napoleonic battles later and there are no units from that age in RTW, my guess is that some new units have been put together specially.
I can see one tiny problem with the Egyptian 'pharonic' style units at Qadesh - if they are all wearing the crown how can the Hittites tell when they have killed the king? That is actually quite a cunning plan :rushes off to give all her units a generals banner:
Brutal DLX
10-27-2003, 12:10
One thing for sure, without Ramses intervening personally, the Egyptians would have lost. Once the King flees...
I don't know about the terrain there, but the Hittite heavy chariots were significantly larger and better armoured. However, the Egyptian ones were more swift. Also there have been cases of Hittites having access to early Iron weapons opposed to the Bronze ones of the Egyptians..
However, I think the Pharaoh married a Hittite princess to seal the treaty and a little peace ensued.
Ahhh... Every time I see the battle spelled as Kadesh (not because it is wrong because I don't know really http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I think of Homeworld... Those poor buggers that lived in the Gardens of Kadesh and defended them with all their fury, only for you to find out that they are in fact your distant relatives, seeking the same home. It was so sad
The Wizard
10-27-2003, 17:25
Quote[/b] (chilling @ Oct. 24 2003,09:23)]Its liable to disappear and shift if something vitally important like Snooker, Darts or... God forbid... Golf comes along.
Golf is better than those bar "sports"... a LOT better.
Frankymole
10-27-2003, 23:48
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ Oct. 27 2003,10:24)]There are also supposed to be some Napoleonic battles later and there are no units from that age in RTW, my guess is that some new units have been put together specially.
That's a rumour for later seasons, from the BBC spokesman/producer on "Points of View" (the BBC audience review letters programme). He said they may have Hundred Years War, Wars of the Roses, Napoleonic, "the sky is the limit" for the engine they (the BBC) have had developed.
Complete pie in the sky. We're lucky to get anything without Romans in, to be honest.
the Black Prince
10-28-2003, 11:46
the reason they are showing this battle, is that its the earliest one for which records of what actually happened have survived (as opposed to vague accounts mentioning a battle)
Leet Eriksson
10-28-2003, 15:03
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Oct. 27 2003,09:22)]Ahhh... Every time I see the battle spelled as Kadesh (not because it is wrong because I don't know really http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I think of Homeworld... Those poor buggers that lived in the Gardens of Kadesh and defended them with all their fury, only for you to find out that they are in fact your distant relatives, seeking the same home. It was so sad
IIRC,they were not your relatives,these guys set up ambushes in the nebulae to capture stray tradeships when they eventually captured an exile ship,wich explains why they have similiar technology.
The Wizard
10-28-2003, 20:45
Weren't the Hittites the civilisation that used iron tools/weapons the first? That's what I learned in Social Studies...
Quote[/b] (faisal @ Oct. 28 2003,08:03)]
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Oct. 27 2003,09:22)]Ahhh... Every time I see the battle spelled as Kadesh (not because it is wrong because I don't know really http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I think of Homeworld... Those poor buggers that lived in the Gardens of Kadesh and defended them with all their fury, only for you to find out that they are in fact your distant relatives, seeking the same home. It was so sad
IIRC,they were not your relatives,these guys set up ambushes in the nebulae to capture stray tradeships when they eventually captured an exile ship,wich explains why they have similiar technology.
Nah... The game explains it perfectly well.
The big motherships (those long clublike ships) have enginesignatures very much like the ones you have. They have obviously reverse-engineered the same engine as you have. But why would they reverse-engineer a basic, rather bad engine if they could already travel among the stars?
Even the find of the Kushan ship confirms this as it is the oldest ship there and it was still used for habitation.
Quote[/b] (faisal @ Oct. 28 2003,08:03)]IIRC,they were not your relatives,these guys set up ambushes in the nebulae to capture stray tradeships when they eventually captured an exile ship,wich explains why they have similiar technology.
Nah... The game explains it perfectly well.
The big motherships (those long clublike ships) have enginesignatures very much like the ones you have. They have obviously reverse-engineered the same engine as you have. But why would they reverse-engineer a basic, rather bad engine if they could already travel among the stars?
Even the find of the Kushan ship confirms this as it is the oldest ship there and it was still used for habitation.
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