expansion wish list

[MizuKokami]

personally i vote for... be able to play shogun and mtw with the same battle play as rome. perhaps we could get two expansions? could you imagine...one shortcut for all of your total war games?

[Shahed]

I'd LOVE to see that
Shogun and MTW in the Rome engine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[spmetla]

I'd hope for that as well but see it as unlikely. I just hope that RTW is as easy to mod as they say it is so that people can do that here.

As for actual expansion I'd like to see the conquests of Alexander. It'd be fitting with the earlier in history thing they have going on for expansions in addition to it'd open up Southern Asia and India as a new area of play if RTW doesn't do that already.

[Stormer]

Greek warfare holites V's hoplites http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

id also settle for shogun mega 3d

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Sinan @ Oct. 26 2003,01:02)]I'd LOVE to see that
Shogun and MTW in the Rome engine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif
Yeah think of it.. Medieval urbanisation, full 3d poligonal knights, LIKE OHMIGAWD *faints* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

Stinkin camels in full 3D too...oh thats in rome already http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Alexanders Campaigns would make my day.but i still think that it would'nt fit,becuase the game is called Rome Total War for a reason...making a greek expansion that is not related is kinda absurd...

The expansion will probably be related to Rome..

[Shorty]

I think a setting where the Western Empire has already fallen and you play the Byzantines trying to reconquer lost territory might be better than a "Hun Invasion" setting.

Let's hope there is an expansion though, because for a game like this no expansion pack means the game wasn't popular enough to warrant one.

[hellenes]

Ive voted for huns cause its has to be an invasion AND which invasion happened that involed ROMANS? The Barbarian of courseAlthough the Romans were barbarians technically cause barbarian comes from the greek word Varvaros wich means anyone that cannnot speak greek. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Oaty]

well considering how modable they said the game will be I just wonder if thge modders will beat CA to all there new projects so I just say go to the next TW series

[Funky Phantom]

All im hoping for in the expansion is the traditional revamp of the campaign from the original game with a few new units and a few bugs ironed out\things made nicer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Some sort of new campaign is always nice, or perhaps they could extend the original campaign map, that would be a cool new direction for Total War expansions e.g. add more of the muslim world and what is now Russia to the map

[Nowake]

2nd choice ... 3D Sohei http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Hulegu]

I just long to reenact, realistically (for the time being that means in a TW game), Sasanian Persian warfare, especially their great wars against the Romans. I don't suppose it will ever happen (sigh, sob, etc.) but maybe I can fool myself by playing the Parthians in RTW.

So, Attila and the Huns, that's at least the right sort of period.

[magnatz]

I would like to see the Fall of Rome, starting with the split between Western and Eastern empire and ending with the fall of the Western Empire in 476 AD. Which would include Attila of course, and a number of other interesting events.

Another possibility would be the Rise of Rome, with all the fighting between Romans, Latins, Samnites, Gauls, Etruscans and Greeks. However this one is probably less marketable, unless Hollywood pulls a Etruscan movie... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
(could still be a nice mod though)

[Nowake]

Something that includes katapraktoi ...I must have them 3D, and not the parthian ones.

[Beelzebub]

I agree it would be great to have MTW especially redone. There just aren't too many historical options if you want a game base around a period pre-extrensive gunpowder use so it's all bows and melee weapons, and a large variety of cultures fighting so there's a lot of variety in units. And also it should have a lot of siegeing going on. There's basically only the roman period, and the medieval one. On the Rome engine MTW would be done right, we would be able to better experience sieging. RTW looks like it will improve sieging as much as MTW improved it over STW. Then we'll also be able to see our templars crashing into a line of arab infantry and hacking them to death in the glory of the fancy new graphics engine, not just blurry units swinging the same weapon animation over and over.

[bighairyman]

i vote for China:total war. i;m sure someone here would make a mod of medieval and shogun in the rome engine. so i think we should go ahead and begin on the next TW

[magnatz]

Quote[/b] (pr Fire @ Oct. 27 2003,05:49)]Something that includes katapraktoi ...I must have them 3D, and not the parthian ones.
This would be a Imperial Period expansion... at a point Rome did create two special corps of cataphracts:

- Ala I Gallorum et Pannoniorum Cataphractata (fought in Dacia against the Alans and Sarmatians, in 159 AD)
- Ala I Nova Firma Miliaria Catafractaria (stationed in Arabia in 244 AD to contrast Arabs and Parthians)

Other interesting Roman special cavalry units of the same period:
- Ala I Ulpia Dromadarvorum Miliaria (camel mounted, 2nd century BC, stationed in the East)
- Ala Ulpia Contariorum Civium Romanorum (heavy lancers, similar to early royal knights. Created by Trajan.)

[Captain Fishpants]

Quote[/b] (oaty @ Oct. 26 2003,19:15)]well considering how modable they said the game will be I just wonder if thge modders will beat CA to all there new projects so I just say go to the next TW series
In response, I'd like to point out that an expansion pack is not just a 'mod' by any means. Ideas have been kicked around already, but nothing has yet been decided.

[hellenes]

Although i voted for hunns...imagine FULL 3D POLYGONAL GOTHIC KNIGHTS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif .....

[Dhepee]

Forget the expansion packs I just want the damn game

[Talbot]

Must agree with Dhepee. I just want the game in my grubby little hands and then I'll start thinking about an expansion pack.

[MizuKokami]

yes...i know it's a little early to be looking forward to an expansion...but think of it. there is deffinately going to be an expansion....afterall, why get paid once when you can get paid twice? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
so all i am saying...is let them know what you want, before they start work on it. as captain fishpants said....ideas have been kicked around allready, but nothing has been decided as yet. so this is the perfact time, no? this way, when they start working on the expans., they will know exactly what we want, instead of what they think we want.

[The Wizard]

... *amazing thought pops into head* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

what if it's being released so much later cuz they're already making the expansion to be released with the game when it's gone gold http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Rosacrux]

Two words: Alexander's conquest.

it's all I want... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Talbot]

It's torture trying to think of what expansion pack to want though MizuKokami. I just want the game.

[Mithrandir]

I'd rather have them spending their time to downgrade RTW so it can run on my PIII700 smootly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.

[MizuKokami]

good point mith

[Orda Khan]

Quote[/b] (Hulegu @ Oct. 27 2003,05:11)]I just long to reenact, realistically (for the time being that means in a TW game), Sasanian Persian warfare, especially their great wars against the Romans. I don't suppose it will ever happen (sigh, sob, etc.) but maybe I can fool myself by playing the Parthians in RTW.

So, Attila and the Huns, that's at least the right sort of period.
I can't wait to take a look at those Parthians too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

.....Orda

[MizuKokami]

gee orda...i would have figured you a hun man http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Orda Khan]

Oh I voted Huns alright http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif In the meantime, Parthians look like a very interesting second choice
Cataphracts, Horse Archers.....Heaven http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

....Orda

[The Wizard]

Orda probably prefers Mongols to Huns. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[MizuKokami]

believe me when i say this....i 'know' orda loves his mongels. but 'huns' are like the grandfather of mongels, and if they had had the equipment the mongels had...oh boy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Rajput]

I would LOVE to see Shogun redone with the Rome engine. That was a great game, I think I still like it better than Medieval.

Also, this wasn't on the poll, but I would love to see an Asia: Total War, with Mongols, China, Khmer, part of the Middle East, and India. Especially India. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Talbot]

Can we have Gangster: Total War?

I wanna drag and drop my gangsters around the city streets and do sneak flank attacks from the underground.

[Swoosh So]

lol tut tut thinking of expansions already http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (MizuKokami @ Oct. 30 2003,22:41)]believe me when i say this....i 'know' orda loves his mongels. but 'huns' are like the grandfather of mongels, and if they had had the equipment the mongels had...oh boy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
They didn't, and they didn't have Mongol tactics, that's why Mongols were more succesful. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think there should be a sort of China: Total War, set in the period of the Six Dynasties or Three Kingdoms or Warring States... very nice periods for a TW game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[The_Emperor]

Huns for me as an expansion.

But the ideas for China TW and MTW and STW with the new engine is very tempting.

[Funky Phantom]

Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 31 2003,12:39)]I think there should be a sort of China: Total War, set in the period of the Six Dynasties or Three Kingdoms or Warring States... very nice periods for a TW game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Nice idea, but i think a lot of the units for the different factions would end up being very similar, while the differences between factions in MTW is a lot more pronounced due to the greater cultural differences between areas such as Western Europe, the Holy Land and the Russian Steppe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[MizuKokami]

swoosh...you gotta understand what it is i really want with total war. what i really want, is to be able to attack castille, with my japanese army. and do it in full 3d. ultimately, until greece comes out, that's what i would be happy with if they never made a tw game again. i'm almost sure that many shoggy vets would like to do the same.

[Funky Phantom]

Some sort of world map campaign over a period would be brilliant, but the scale would be far too large surely?

In terms of feasability i find it hard to justify to myself being able to take all of France as England, let alone all of Europe or the entire world :P

It does sound like an incredibly interesting prospect, but i think its already sort of covered by games like Civ...

[MizuKokami]

the factions wouldn't have to be historical specific for starting points. each group of territories could be a choice, then which faction could be a choice, then which era. for instance...perhaps the italians weren't really italian, but were really japanese, in the high era.

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Funky Phantom @ Oct. 31 2003,20:03)]
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 31 2003,12:39)]I think there should be a sort of China: Total War, set in the period of the Six Dynasties or Three Kingdoms or Warring States... very nice periods for a TW game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Nice idea, but i think a lot of the units for the different factions would end up being very similar, while the differences between factions in MTW is a lot more pronounced due to the greater cultural differences between areas such as Western Europe, the Holy Land and the Russian Steppe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
True, but think of things such as Northern marauders, Koreans, Japanese, Tibetans and maybe also Khmer, Cham and Indians.

Of course the game is centered around China, though. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Beelzebub]

If the campaign map included everything from Persia to Japan, and as far north/south as Indonesia and Mongolia, there would definitely be enough variety.

[The Wizard]

I'd rather have it include the north of South-East Asia, the Eastern half of modern-day China, Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan, Manchuria (a faction i forgot to mention in my last post), the Gobi, maybe Mongolia, Korea, and maybe Japan as well. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Ulug Beg]

I would like to see a prequel covering Alexander the Great, or the Peloponesian Wars with a big map of Greece like they did for VI with the British Isles.

[The Wizard]

Unfortunately that doesn't work with the title Rome... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[RisingSun]

Well, Greece wa eventually a PART of Rome, as was Britan a PARTof Medieval Europe, and they did Viking Invasion there, didn't they? And it as to be soe kind of inasion, so I woul reallygo for a "Persian Invasion".

[Leet Eriksson]

Well i'd like to go for more variety,so how about a game that encompasses all of these games using an updated RTW engine.

The Map:All the major continents,Asia,Europ,Middle East and Africa,maybe even the Americas.

Timeframe:14AD-1300 AD

Factions:Byzantines,Rome,Arabs,T'ang,Indians(what factions were there?),Koreans,Japanese,Steppe people(mongols,jurchens,khitan liao,turks),Cambodia(khmer?),Visigoths,Franks,Saxons,Normans,Inca,Maya....etc etc(simply any faction that existed in that timeframe)

also i would like to see unique tactics,unqiue units,unique formations,unique cultures and unique economic system for each faction.

This would make my day,but it will probably almost take forever,and maybe even the engine will get outdated before they finish production,but i guess it will be worth the effort to include everything,this will also increase appeal for a worldwide audience and probably make sales unbeleivale.

Well its not an expansion exactly,but maybe a sequel?

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ Nov. 03 2003,18:12)]Well, Greece wa eventually a PART of Rome, as was Britan a PARTof Medieval Europe, and they did Viking Invasion there, didn't they? And it as to be soe kind of inasion, so I woul reallygo for a "Persian Invasion".
Yes, but in the time of the Persian Wars Rome was still a small city that was squabbling over petty issues with Etruscans. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[hellenes]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ Nov. 04 2003,00:12)]Well, Greece wa eventually a PART of Rome, as was Britan a PARTof Medieval Europe, and they did Viking Invasion there, didn't they? And it as to be soe kind of inasion, so I woul reallygo for a "Persian Invasion".
I said it again and will say it once more the title Rome TW is too narrow for this kind of expansion imagine:
"Rome Total War: Persian Invasion" ooops http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif where are the Romans? I can see only greeks and persians...
This would be the case ALSO with Medieval TW if the original title (of wich the entrance video is remnant( too lazy to make a new one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )) was in the final product:
"Crusaders Total War: Viking Invasion"
again where are the Crusaders? Only British tribes and Vikings...
So they wisely changed the title to Medieval wich is broader and richer with more diverse backround AND the most important:WITH PLENTY OF POSSIBILITIES FOR EXPANSIONS
A mere list: Ottoman Invasion
German Invasion (of the italy)
English Invasion (aka 100 years war)
Crusaders Invasion (aka Crusades and map of
middle east)
Mongol Invasion (Map from Khazar till Poland)
Viking Invasion (which we enjoy now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )
These are some examples that come in my mind now there are plenty others (feel free to add your own http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )
What im saying is that one good option for the devs IMHO would be the title like "Ancient Total War" JUST IMAGINE THE POSSIBLE EXPANSIONS
So although i would LOVE a greek expansion (me being greek http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif ) its very doubtful that we will get it with the current title as i said before we are most probably heading for the Huns and the tradition of turning the clock back is going to break IMHO.

Hellenes

[kataphraktoi]

Yeps, agree with Hellenes: the title of the game is often an indicator of the range or intentions of CA.

Bring on Attila

[Leet Eriksson]

actually an expansion about the byzantines makes more sense,becuase they are related to rome.

[MizuKokami]

well...byzantine was rome, but it was only at the end after rome became devided, and split in two...with the rise of the huns, both rome and the byzantine fell prey to the hun's lootings, and when attilla arived on the seen, he went on 3 separate invasions. with an attilla the hun expansion, it would be likely that you could play, rome, byzantine, or the huns. this would also keep up with the theme of expansions being invasions.
however, i don't really get into invasions campaigns, preferring to build from the ground up. that's why i want the stw and mtw. but i would buy both the old tw's, as well as an attila the hun invasion tw, i just prefer the older ones.
as for the other ideas, of eventually getting to greece, china, persia/india, i can't wait til we have the grandaddy of all total wars, includeing all of the above. but the problem with new sequels with me is i'm too cheap to upgrade my computer. as it is, i use a 3dfx voodoo 5 card. i likely won't even be able to play rome, and almost definately won't be able to play any subsequent sequels. which brings me back to stw and mtw. if i can play rome, then i would have 3 tw games to play if stw and mtw is the expansion. this would be exceptable.
at any rate...be sure to vote for your wish, as well as keep the ideas flowing for future tw's.

[Leet Eriksson]

good point there,an expansion that includes both MTW and STW in romes 3d engine would be great.

[kataphraktoi]

As long as I get to mod it to my vision:
mainly:
Barbarian invasions
Byzantine reconquest
Dark Ages
And oodles and oodles of barbarian goodness.

[Leet Eriksson]

screw barbarians,we need more byzantines http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Tempiic]

Rome Total War: The Great Migrations

Rome Total War: Ummm not sure how to call it, Italian Squables? Bout the rise of the city state amongst the samnites, sebites, etrusks, greek, carthegians, ghauls...

I think anything focussed on the greek, be it the peleponiun (sp?) wars, the persian wars or the conquests of alexander deserve their own game... Hellas: Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ Nov. 05 2003,00:30)]good point there,an expansion that includes both MTW and STW in romes 3d engine would be great.
Just let barocca handle it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[RisingSun]

They didn't change the name to Medieval for expansion options, they changed it because of 9/11 and the westerners being called "crusaders" by many Islamic dictatorships.

[MizuKokami]

oh...so we should call this game...pc total war...politically correct tw http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[hellenes]

Quote[/b] (MizuKokami @ Nov. 06 2003,04:21)]oh...so we should call this game...pc total war...politically correct tw http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Totally agree and the whole "bad bad crusaders good good muslims" cr@p must sometime end these lands were cristian and the muslim fanatism and Jihads (they were mainly agressive at the begginning the defensive jihads in MTW are just polit correct public relations trick) invaded and occupied them...

Hellenes

[kataphraktoi]

Good cop, Bad cop

[MizuKokami]

in actuallity...a crusade is supposed to be something like a mission...where you take the word of God, and preach the gospel. if any would take you captive...you go into captivity. if any would kill you, you lay down your life, unless of course you were warned to flee before hand. a jihad, is supposed to be a spiritual battle that enables the people to take back those spiritual things they have had stolen from them...ie, an internal battle, within your own heart, to return you to God. the kings of the world have used these two terms to suit their own purposes, lead people to war, and to convince people that war is God's will. so when it comes down to it, putting the ideas of warring crusades and jihads behind us, would likely be a good thing.
but i stray from the topic...remember to vote for your expansion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[kataphraktoi]

Wonder if we can make skins for buildings or at create custom ones.

Imagine having landsite buildings. I'd make a restaurant with my name plastered on the front.

[kataphraktoi]

Just don't burn it down......its a landmark of human civilisation.

[The Wizard]

You mean the toilet? Yeah... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[kataphraktoi]

Like wiping.....

a few posts to 500 wheeeee

[Leet Eriksson]

Quote[/b] (hellenes @ Nov. 05 2003,22:42)]
Quote[/b] (MizuKokami @ Nov. 06 2003,04:21)]oh...so we should call this game...pc total war...politically correct tw http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Totally agree and the whole "bad bad crusaders good good muslims" cr@p must sometime end these lands were cristian and the muslim fanatism and Jihads (they were mainly agressive at the begginning the defensive jihads in MTW are just polit correct public relations trick) invaded and occupied them...

Hellenes
eh,obviously some lack of knowledge here,the offensive "jihads" were called Futuh.

Jihad comes from the word juhd,and it means "to do something" "tajhad" and means "to do something to achieve something" and it branches until you come to jihad wich means "defense of the faith".

and just between you and me,no one is bad or good at that time,almost every powerful empire started from humble beginings and became stronger through conquest,that applies to the romans too.oh and btw the game is called Total War after all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif ...

[MizuKokami]

looking for at least 100 votes.


i used to work in market research, and i know that 100 votes can be considered the same thing as market research. only here...it saves ca thousands of dollars if they listen to it, not having to hire a market reasarch company.

[The_678]

Alexander's Campaigns
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif Damn no more 69th Post http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[MizuKokami]

i would absolutely adore an alexander the great campaign, but ca would have to do a lot of work making a phalanx unit. perhaps they should start work on the phalanx now? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

i thought the spartan hoplites were using the phalanx formation http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[The Wizard]

And the rest of the Hellenistic crowd... but as of yet there will be no Alexander's campaign, unless they rename it "Ancient - Total War" or something like that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[spmetla]

Well the Viking Invasion wasn't really Medieval, it was still the Dark Ages and led up to the beginning of the Medieval period.
The same can be done with Rome: Total War. If it were to go to Alexander's campaign it will be the nice prelude that leads to environment in the mediterraen that allowed Rome's expanse.

[hellenes]

Quote[/b] (spmetla @ Nov. 10 2003,08:19)]Well the Viking Invasion wasn't really Medieval, it was still the Dark Ages and led up to the beginning of the Medieval period.
The same can be done with Rome: Total War. If it were to go to Alexander's campaign it will be the nice prelude that leads to environment in the mediterraen that allowed Rome's expanse.
The real medieval period (not the hollywood fairy tales one) started at 476 whn the Rome fell and ended with the rennessance (i hope i spell that right) so the VI was fit BUT the main reason was it didnt had any name obstacle no restrictions again ITS ROME I still cant see romans in persian invasion maybe someone would help me?

[MizuKokami]

i think a vote for greece is choice number three...the heck with expansions, let's just get to the next tw.

[magnatz]

IMHO Greece and Alexander deserve their own game, I'd hate to see the Persian Wars or Alexander's campaigns crammed in a RTW add-on. For an RTW expansion I'd prefer something Rome-related, maybe the Seven Kings or the Late Empire.
(or even the Fall Of Rome, but I want to mod that myself... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif)

[spmetla]

Quote[/b] ]Well the Viking Invasion wasn't really Medieval, it was still the Dark Ages and led up to the beginning of the Medieval period.
The same can be done with Rome: Total War. If it were to go to Alexander's campaign it will be the nice prelude that leads to environment in the mediterraen that allowed Rome's expanse.

The real medieval period (not the hollywood fairy tales one) started at 476 whn the Rome fell and ended with the rennessance (i hope i spell that right) so the VI was fit BUT the main reason was it didnt had any name obstacle no restrictions again ITS ROME I still cant see romans in persian invasion maybe someone would help me?



Well it's all who considers when what. I've always considered the dark ages going from 476 up the first crusade. The reason I think this is because the Crusades brought people crusaders back from the east (after they finished), they brought spices, silks, and stories of the grand cities in the Near East. This in turn opened up Europe to the rest of the world.

[Leet Eriksson]

a 1000 year expansion would be interesting,but it will take a loong time to develop for an expansion,and seeing as how expansions are developed,they mostly contain 1-3 new things and some editions and thats it.maybe for a sequel...

[magnatz]

I just came to the conclusion that I don't care much about additional campaigns after all, expecially if the mod tools are that good.

Give me the sea battles instead http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[The Wizard]

Leave the sea battles, give me my polygonal knights

[HawaiianHobbit]

The heck with expansions, go straight to the next TW, maybe 1 in africa instead of just the top part or maybe over bye china.

[spmetla]

Hawaiian, were in hawaii you at?

[Scipio]

its renaissance I believe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

About STW and MTW beeing remade with the RTW engine:


Quote[/b] ]I'd hope for that as well but see it as unlikely.
Correct
It will never happen.
CA is quite clear about that...



In fact, if we take the time to analyze this carefully, we can see a patern emerging... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/read.gif
Taking a closer look at STW and MTW, we can see that the original game is always about factions who focus on building, while the expansion (MI and VI) is all about raiding.

In relating this information to RTW, we see that the original game is all about the Rise of Rome.
Starts at 264BC (Republic) with the 1st Punic War, and ends in 14AD, with the death of Octavius Augustus (Empire).
With this in mind, we can preview the logical expansion:

The Great Invasions and the Fall of Rome

Time Period: 14AD (Birth of the Empire) to 476AD (Fall of Rome)

It will allow us to play the several invaders (Huns, Goths, Vandals, Franks, Saxons, Sarmatians, Alamans, Sueves, etc...) and use their raiding abilities, or play the Romans, trying to preserve the Empire from these same Barbarian Invasions... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[kataphraktoi]

What if CA plan to release more than one expansion pack..I certainly hope so.

Everyone can be happy, and CA will be happy taking our money too.

[Leet Eriksson]

Don't forget expansions take place before the games actual timeframe.

Shogun:1600's Expansion:1500's

MTW:1085-1453 Expansion:780's-1066

Rome:264BC-14 AD Expansion:???

also did anyone notice that STW's sequel MTW takes place before STW?and RTW takes place before MTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[The Wizard]

Still I think that we need a Hunnic expansion

That is... yes... if the modding tools are good enough, yeah, then make a prequel expansion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Monk]

Here's my first guesses for an RTW expansion (also those i'd like to see http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

1. Macedonia, Conquests of Alexander the Great, ends at around 200 b.c. Destroy the Persians and claim your place in history, leaving a legacy to be followed by your successors for ages to come. Or side with the persians and fight against the Mighty Phalanx of Macedon

2. Rome, Expansion of an Empire 14 AD - 476 A.D, ends with the fall of the Western empire. Take command of the Empire when it was just getting started and try to prevent its fall. Or take command of any other faction and destroy Rome.

3. Greece, Starts with persian wars in 490 bc and ends with the rise of Macedonia. choose the Persians and try to take Greece for yourself, or pick one of the many city states of the day and try to unite you people against the great threat.

4. Rome, starts 400 bc with the phalanx legion as the main armed forces of Rome. Unite the Italian Penensila against the Barbarians Hordes to the north who threaten to push on Rome and later Carthage. Or take up arms with the Barbarians and destroy the greatest city state before it can gather power and destroy you.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Don't forget expansions take place before the games actual timeframe.

Shogun:1600's Expansion:1500's

MTW:1085-1453 Expansion:780's-1066

Rome:264BC-14 AD Expansion:???

also did anyone notice that STW's sequel MTW takes place before STW?and RTW takes place before MTW
Actually, Shogun's expansion is in 1274... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I thought about that too. But it's all about events... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif

Remember:

1-What period, besides the Sengoku period, is really an important event in Japanese History?
Answer: The Mongol invasion...

Yes, you could talk about the Ashikaga Shogunate and the Onin War, but it's the same theme as Sengoku-Jidai. Internal struggle for power.


2-What period, besides the 3 periods of Medieval times shown in the game, is really an important event in Medieval History?
Answer: The Viking pillages...

Yes, you could talk about Charlemagne, but it would be limitative. Or the Renaissance period, but it doesn't belong in Medieval History.


3-What period, during Roman rule, is the most important besides the Rise of Rome?
The Empire and it's Fall...

Let's not forget that the next Total War game isn't called Ancient Total War...

It would be beautifull if it was... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 15 2003,16:46)]Let's not forget that the next Total War game isn't called
Ancient Total War...

It would be beautifull if it was... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Lord Aymar,

concerning the pattern envolving here we could say with a great probability that the game after Rome will be Ancient http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Of course, that's just a silly guess, but I have a feeling it might be a very probable one

[Leet Eriksson]

i have a hunch that the next sequel will have something to do with chariots... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Lord Aymar,

concerning the pattern envolving here we could say with a great probability that the game after Rome will be Ancient http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Of course, that's just a silly guess, but I have a feeling it might be a very probable one
Yes, you're right
I've tought about that, before CA revealed that they were working on Rome... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

But there's a glitch... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

CA doesn't want to be limited to an Empire Earth or Civilization type of game. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Why?

That's because their work is very focused and specific.
What this means is that they spend much more time than any gaming studio, in making each faction have unique units, culture, geographical and political situations.
So in effect, I think their work is much vaster, in the hope of showing us a unique experience.

What I'm saying is:
Don't expect a Ancient Total War with a Global World Map and all Ancient Civilizations that ever existed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

If they ever decide in doing it, I'm afraid that we'll have to be extremelly pacient on this one, because the amount of development stage time, will be COLOSSAL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

But if they do make it... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/birthday.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/santa.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/birthday.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/santa.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]i have a hunch that the next sequel will have something to do with chariots...
Babylonian Total War?
Assyrian Total War?
Hitite Total War?
Egyptian Total War?... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/read.gif ...huuuuuummm... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/read.gif ...no, the Egyptians already appear in RTW. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 13 2003,19:11)]About STW and MTW beeing remade with the RTW engine:


Quote[/b] ]I'd hope for that as well but see it as unlikely.
Correct
It will never happen.
CA is quite clear about that...



In fact, if we take the time to analyze this carefully, we can see a patern emerging... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/read.gif
Taking a closer look at STW and MTW, we can see that the original game is always about factions who focus on building, while the expansion (MI and VI) is all about raiding.

In relating this information to RTW, we see that the original game is all about the Rise of Rome.
Starts at 264BC (Republic) with the 1st Punic War, and ends in 14AD, with the death of Octavius Augustus (Empire).
With this in mind, we can preview the logical expansion:

The Great Invasions and the Fall of Rome

Time Period: 14AD (Birth of the Empire) to 476AD (Fall of Rome)

It will allow us to play the several invaders (Huns, Goths, Vandals, Franks, Saxons, Sarmatians, Alamans, Sueves, etc...) and use their raiding abilities, or play the Romans, trying to preserve the Empire from these same Barbarian Invasions... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
Actually; in the updated FAQ, it says that, after you have been Imperator of Rome for 20 years, and have thus essentially beaten the game, you can continue playing. So... you can play right to 450 AD if you would like.. albeit there would be a limit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/santa.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Actually; in the updated FAQ, it says that, after you have been Imperator of Rome for 20 years, and have thus essentially beaten the game, you can continue playing. So... you can play right to 450 AD if you would like.. albeit there would be a limit...
Interesting... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif ...didn't know that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

But the expansion will probably still be the way I thought it would be... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Wizard]

I don't care if it will remain as a feature or not, however I will have the western bank of the Elbe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]I don't care if it will remain as a feature or not, however I will have the western bank of the Elbe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
There, there... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif ...no worries.
Cool down with these... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Dec. 20 2003,11:30)]I don't care if it will remain as a feature or not, however I will have the western bank of the Elbe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
And perhaps even further... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

North, south, east, west... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

And if they don't come to us, we'll come to them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 20 2003,17:49)]
Quote[/b] ]I don't care if it will remain as a feature or not, however I will have the western bank of the Elbe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
There, there... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif ...no worries.
Cool down with these... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Well, I most certainly won't refuse that Hoegaarden? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Hoegaarden?
Huuuuu... ...cheers? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[JANOSIK007]

Quote[/b] (MizuKokami @ Oct. 25 2003,23:58)]personally i vote for... be able to play shogun and mtw with the same battle play as rome. perhaps we could get two expansions? could you imagine...one shortcut for all of your total war games?
I definitelly agree with you. If CA was to rerelease STW and MTW in RTW engine (or even a newer one, as I don't see that they'll ever stop at certain point), they should put it in one package. Not as an expansion, but as a "golden" series with STW, MTW, RTW. This way they would have a financial base to fall back on after the RTW craze, while their developing a new game or new engine.

[Beelzebub]

If they're smart (and I assume they are, dumb people don't make kickass games like this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif ), they're making the RTW engine not only as cutting edge as possible, but easily upgradable/moddable so it can last them years with just upgrades and not a total re-write. Then they can concentrate on producing more content quickly (new TW games/expansions..) without having 2 years in between them as was the case for MTW - RTW.

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Beelzebub @ Dec. 20 2003,22:47)]If they're smart (and I assume they are, dumb people don't make kickass games like this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif ), they're making the RTW engine not only as cutting edge as possible, but easily upgradable/moddable so it can last them years with just upgrades and not a total re-write. Then they can concentrate on producing more content quickly (new TW games/expansions..) without having 2 years in between them as was the case for MTW - RTW.
Rest assured, they are smart, and it should be exactly like you say They said "an easy empire building kit", "inhouse used editors" and similar...

People, I believe that only sky is the limit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 20 2003,19:06)]
Quote[/b] ]Hoegaarden?
Huuuuu... ...cheers? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Belgian white beer. Yum yum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]
Quote[/b] ]
Quote[/b] ] Hoegaarden?
Huuuuu... ...cheers? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Belgian white beer. Yum yum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
In that case... ...down the hatch http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[RisingSun]

I've got it I know how to make my Persian Wars idea work Rome: Total War- Great Invasions

We can then play Alexander, the Greeks, Persians, a more in-depth Hannibal invasion... All that great stuff, all in one. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[kataphraktoi]

Looking thru the TC episode battles list, especially Chalon and Adrianople, does that suggest where the new expansion will head towards. On the totalwar,com site there are screenshots of Huns, Gothic lancers/cavalry and late Roman infantry. Obviously these wouldn't make an appearance in RTW because of the timeline difference.

[The Wizard]

Those episodes, like Qadesh, are seemingly made to experiment with modding the game. But you are right, though.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Looking thru the TC episode battles list, especially Chalon and Adrianople, does that suggest where the new expansion will head towards. On the totalwar,com site there are screenshots of Huns, Gothic lancers/cavalry and late Roman infantry. Obviously these wouldn't make an appearance in RTW because of the timeline difference.


Quote[/b] ]Those episodes, like Qadesh, are seemingly made to experiment with modding the game. But you are right, though.
Well, wasn't I right? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif




Just joking... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[kataphraktoi]

Could it be that CA will ot release an EXpac????

Could it be that the inhouse editors will be so easy to use as to make us all modding gods?????

So that we can have as many "custom" expansions of our own.

On my left, we have the Alexander the Great supporters, on my right, the fall of Rome supporters. So instead of going 5 rounds with threats, punches and pain over what Xpac will be made, it could be we could make it ourselves.

Nah...bring the boxing gloves.

but then again, if there is the possibility of an XPac expanding the map to India.......

I shotgun first dibs on the Cow Warband. What Indian would kill a Cow??????

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (kataphraktoi @ Dec. 27 2003,06:00)]What Indian would kill a Cow?
The one in the BSE-Prevention team?

Given the number of possibilities to expansions pack, I would be surprised if we got 2. One for the pre-RTW-era (Alexander, Greek wars) and one for the post-RTW-era: fall of Rome.

[Red Peasant]

Perhaps it was just a 'mistake', but I notice that one of the official screenshots shows Legionaries marching through an arch dedicated to the 'Deified Titus and Vespasian', dating them post- AD81. Maybe we'll get Trajan's campaigns against the Dacians and/or the Parthians as an expansion module, or would that be too limited for an expansion?

edit for date typo

[Ashen]

Might even see the fall of the empire, maybe even with russell crowe in scenes that never actually happened ^^

[RisingSun]

Nobody seems to care about my ideas... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Hey, Ashen
How many times a day do you change your SIG??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[makkyo]

Just imagine for a moment... the peaceful village of Segikara (spelling may be wrong) in central Japan... then all of a sudden two massive armies totaling over 100,000 soldiers fight in the very streets of the city, samurai tearing down the very buildings in order to get to the battle. And all in the amazing Rome total war engine
A bright new future of Total War is on the horizon.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sunny.gif

[jLan]

For those of you debating when the medieval period/middleages started:

The word middleages comes from the 'enlightened' people of the renescance (sp?) period. They used the term for the time between the ancient period (greece, rome, and such) and their own time, thus the "middle-ages". Strictly speaking, it then goes from the fall of rome untill around 1400-1500 when the renescance started.

[alman9898]

I'd like to say that playing as the empire of Rome would be kind of boring since you'd own almost the entire campaign map...

I think it'll be Rome: Total War: Barbarian Invasion or something similar to the fall of Rome.

[Sir Robin]

I would love to see MTW redone with the RTW engine.

I imagine we will get the "Barbarian Invasions" that plagued the later Imperial Era.

[Wishazu]

Like pretty much everyone else i`d like to see a re-done STW my all time favourite game, EVER otherwise i vote for ROME NAVAL WARFARE

[Nowake]

Shogun re-made and .. something like China Total War in the Warring States period with an expansion on Ghenghis invasion.

[[DnC]]

Citaat[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 13 2003,14:11)]In fact, if we take the time to analyze this carefully, we can see a patern emerging... :read:
Taking a closer look at STW and MTW, we can see that the original game is always about factions who focus on building, while the expansion (MI and VI) is all about raiding.

In relating this information to RTW, we see that the original game is all about the Rise of Rome.
Starts at 264BC (Republic) with the 1st Punic War, and ends in 14AD, with the death of Octavius Augustus (Empire).
With this in mind, we can preview the logical expansion:

The Great Invasions and the Fall of Rome

Time Period: 14AD (Birth of the Empire) to 476AD (Fall of Rome)

It will allow us to play the several invaders (Huns, Goths, Vandals, Franks, Saxons, Sarmatians, Alamans, Sueves, etc...) and use their raiding abilities, or play the Romans, trying to preserve the Empire from these same Barbarian Invasions... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smoking.gif
This is exactly what I'm hoping for as an expansion pack

[Sir Robin]

If CA keeps with its pattern from STW and MTW it will probably be RTW: Barbarian Invasions.

However I would drool over STW and MTW redone with the RTW engine. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Seven.the.Hun]

attilla the hun??
could we be so lucky?
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif ...to the huns

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Quote[/b] (makkyo @ Jan. 12 2004,16:48)]Just imagine for a moment... the peaceful village of Segikara (spelling may be wrong) in central Japan... then all of a sudden two massive armies totaling over 100,000 soldiers fight in the very streets of the city, samurai tearing down the very buildings in order to get to the battle. And all in the amazing Rome total war engine
A bright new future of Total War is on the horizon.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sunny.gif
YES IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE YOUR OWN SAMURAI MOVIE

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Quote[/b] (makkyo @ Jan. 12 2004,16:48)]Just imagine for a moment... the peaceful village of Segikara (spelling may be wrong) in central Japan... then all of a sudden two massive armies totaling over 100,000 soldiers fight in the very streets of the city, samurai tearing down the very buildings in order to get to the battle. And all in the amazing Rome total war engine
A bright new future of Total War is on the horizon.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sunny.gif
YES IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE YOUR OWN SAMURAI MOVIE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Wizard]

Now what I would like to see is Medieval in the Rome engine, lancers all polygonal and shiney, more beautiful graphics (Seljuq ghulams, POLYGONAL MONGOLS *drools vehemently*).

Another cool thing that would come with Medieval being translated into the Rome engine would be the urbanisation, a somewhat more important thing in the middle ages than in the Roman period.

Hmmmm... heavily armoured west-European infantry fighting in the tight, dirty, squalor-ridden streets of a European city... beautiful castles... *drools again*



~Wiz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

[Crimson Castle]

Quote[/b] (bighairyman @ Oct. 28 2003,03:04)]i vote for China:total war. i;m sure someone here would make a mod of medieval and shogun in the rome engine. so i think we should go ahead and begin on the next TW
Hey yeah, remember Romance of Three Kingdoms by Koei.

Something similar might work very well.

But I do hope Rome TW will improve on the diplomacy aspect of the game. As Sun Tze says - the Art of War is to win without fighting.