New Building - Epic Stone Walls

[Barkhorn1x]

Epic Stone Walls:

These truly awesome walls should keep any enemy at bay and give a sense of security to the whole population. This is the ultimate defensive structure for any city in an empire - a vast, extremely well built stone wall that towers over any enemy army. Construction is very slow and extremely expensive, but the social and military value of the wall when it is finished is immense. It proves to everyone that the empire is powerful and determined to guarantee security to a vast population.
A city wall of this size is extremely difficult to breach and can be a severe stumbling block to the plans of any conqueror. Armies will sometimes change the route of their advance rather than waste time battering against such a strong defensive...(don't know where the rest of this sentence went)

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Not just stone walls - but EPIC stone walls - damn you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

Barkhorn.

[The Wizard]

Epic..? lame name. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif But a cool building. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Mega Dux Bob]

Sounds like when the wall is completed CE should included a bit of animation with Russel Crowe or the like to make sure we all get EPIC quality of these walls. I assume these will be the the fith stage like fortress in MTW, so what do they call the first threw fourth stage of the walls?

[Scipio]

Yes I must say it is a kinda lame name but what does it matter Im always happy when another new building comes up.

[Kraxis]

It is only a bad name if every faction can build them.

If only the Romans, Greeks (of various styles) and Carthagenians can build them, then it is completely fair to call them epic, as they would be exactly that.

[The Wizard]

Think of it: a Celtic village Hiberniae (=Latin for in Hibernia) with those huge stone walls protecting it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Quokka]

Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Oct. 29 2003,03:18)]Think of it: a Celtic village Hiberniae (=Latin for in Hibernia) with those huge stone walls protecting it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Sure why not? Is it any more unrealistic than the Celts toppling the Roman Empire?
Its obviously not a village anymore if its got Epic Stone Walls is it? How come the thought of leading Carthage to the conquest of Rome is plausible, but the idea that a village grows larger and build stone walls is incredulous?

[The Wizard]

Because it's just completely unrealistic. I mean, Carthage toppling Rome, 50-50 chance. But a celtic village made out of wood with those stone walls around it? Psh, get real http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Quokka]

I'm going to assume Epic Stone Walls are not the first wall type available and come later, say when the city is at Citadel level, like the Barbican. You don't get the option of Fort with Barbican do you? So if Hibernia has built itself up to a Citadel why can't it build Epic Stone Walls? Many provinces start completely bare but by the end are Fortresses, what is so unbelievable about that?

[Sir Chauncy]

I happen to agree completely, why on earth is the fact that a celtic viallage, that has grown to the size of a great city, not going to protect itself? Even they stupidest peasant knows that stone is a better building material than wood, so why is it that you are fighting against it? And all this in sptie of the fact that all of the factions are going to have their own tech tree, the celts might not even have them...

[The Wizard]

Yes but look at the screen shots -- there's a really really big barbarian city being assaulted by Romans, but all it's got is a wooden wall and a ditch. I find it strange that Celts, whom even in 450 AD when the Roman empire had fallen did not have stone walls (as far as I know), would have that in RTW's timespan. It's just not in their tech possibilities.

However, you are right that it would be imbalanced when compared to MTW's castle system... but the Celts were never really famous for their mighty stone bastions were they http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

The point of TW is that you can change history by leading a nation to victory.


realisticly as soon as you take over a civilisation its no longer "celt" for example but your own.

so why should your new civilisation be screwed for building a wall becuase they where originaly celts?

[spmetla]

So that you'll get to enjoy sieging different cities of different cultures differently. I imagine that the Celts will be able to build stone walls, the Teutons will probably be able to as well, but intially they won't be far enough up the tech tree to do so.
As for the "epic" stone walls, I think thats just there because the Romans unlike the Celts of the time were famed for the engineering and architectural prowness.
It's like in MTW, all the factions "should" get horse archers because you can always just stick an archer on a horse and tell him to ride and try to fire but because the varying cultures need advantages and disadvantages some will get Horse Archers while others don't.

And let's not forget that hollywood usually wins over historical accuracy so because people want to see half naked screaming barbarians they're gonna get them. Because in Asterix and Obelix their village has a wooden palisade *all* celts must have villages that are the same.



Quote[/b] ]I find it strange that Celts, whom even in 450 AD when the Roman empire had fallen did not have stone walls (as far as I know), would have that in RTW's timespan. It's just not in their tech possibilities.


What about the famed walls of Constantinople, they protected the city when it was made capital all the way up to when it was taken by the Turks in 1453 (with improvements over time of course). Or in 378 when the Romans lost the battle of Adrianople how the Goths weren't able to take advantage of their victory because they didn't have the siege equipment nessacery to take Adrianople. Then there's always Hadrians wall, it may not have protected a city directly but it certainly was a wall of "epic" proportions.


Yarghy farnargy, time for bed.