Cav Archers?!

[Shimazu2]

Well to me these guys are also one of the over looked units in the game. (naginata are the main ones of course http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif) But i used to dislike these guys.. they're costly, when going against sam archers in open feild they will lose, but they are VERY fast. A few days ago in a 3v3 i was absolutely killed by a warrior using Cavalry archers (i believe he had about 3 units) he was mainly using them for flankers.. and man can they flank... well now i have got to using them. (i usually take about 2) but its hard to use them. Mainly cause most people tend to sent them into battle first. But i have learned that they are most deadly close to their other units... when i engadge in battle my enemy will usually look over this "weak" unit and won't even bother with it. And so it gives me 2 EFFECTIVE flanking units... they are very easy to control in flanking... yet another break through in the world of the shogun?

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[solypsist]

somehow i knew this thread wouldn't be that interesting....the exclamation paired with the question mark tipped me off.

[BSM_Skkzarg]

Shim - I have to disagree with you on this one. CA's are overlooked for a very good reason - 99% of the time - they blow more chunks than Ally McBeal after a gallon of ice cream. While they do have speed, most of your opponents will tear them to shreds using Yari Cav. YC have the speed to run down (albiet slowly) CA units. Once they catch them, the CA is going to rout VERY quickly - likely leaving the YC in your rear somewhere without a unit to screen or deflect it from hitting your units in the backside. YC are VERY good at doing this - and then its bye bye army as your forces decide discretion is the better part of valor and take off for the hills.

Overall - CA are NOT worth the cost. While in h2h against archers and guns they are ok, in general they are to weak to do much good. Since their ranged attack is the weakest of all the groups - they just can't justify their high cost.

One unit in a high koku maybe - but even that is a stretch.

Qapla!

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[Vanya]

GAH! My Cav archers are almost invincible, for they now wield the massively effective Gah!tling gun! Thanks to Krast for that one... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif

[BomilkarDate]

Cav Archers are not that good, I sometimes use them, but they can easily be shot down by any other ranged unit (Arqs are not really ranged, are they?). Yari Cavs are no real problem for them if you move carefully and have your own yari cavs or spearmen ready. As soon as the enemy tries to attack, you can retreat and flank his attacking yari cav.

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[1master1Boromir]

I used to hate Cav Archers, but now I find them more than useful. There are many ways to deploy them and have many uses during combat.

Boromir

[Kocmoc]

LOL BSM!!!

i always use CA, i love this unit they are pretty good...

if u want we can play some 1v1 and i will show u, how good they are http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

1. mostly on h0 they cheap
2. they shoot fast and kill fast :O
3. only YC can catch them, and if u protect them well and use the right, ofcourse u cant get them http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
4. i think u dont know all the stats about this unit

and u miss the point, Many players use CA, i think 80% of all and 100% of the vets...

so move ur little "ass" online and let me show u....

koc

Hehe nice Koc.
Yes BSM, I have to say you are wrong on this one...you play SP only and you can't know how to manage units when you face a human...

CA have speed...and one has to use it. How? CA confuses players, you can get CA at the flanks while holding the centre fire with your own guns...the player who faces CA will be under panic - and with good timing you can slash him apart! Also I use CA in h-t-h to attack guns (never frontally or useless) and to rear the enemy.

At hon0/1 they're cheap and good, and now they kill loads of any units, you just have to be witty enough to use them right...and don't get them shot or catched. (How can YC catch CA if when I see your poor YC moving, I immediately pull back my CA? LOL
Then when you see your YC retreating, I shoot at it!

Tera

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[Cheetah]

yeah, the good old CA debate, well done Shim http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

On SP they are extremely useful, esp. in the early game. playing Takeda I massacred twice as big armies tham that of mine using 1-2 CA alongside with a few YS, frequently with 10:1 kill/lost man ratio!

On MP first I thought they would be useless, but I am pleasantly surprised!

[evilc]

Gah!tling gun - Gah! Gah! Gah! Gah! Gah! Gah!
Well done Krast lol http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[LordTed]

ROFL i use 2 cas. You can tie people in knots cause them to spread there guns out and send their yari cavs and such into traps.

[Katasaki Hirojima]

I like useing Cav archers because they really are a effective missile unit, you jusst have to stretch them out 3 lines deep.

I normally use them as Mobile archers, I use them in synch with a Yari Cavalry Escort.

The Yari excort allows you to move your cav archers around with impunity because no one carrys as many yari cav as I do. They run from the Yari I and completley obliterate any cavalry force sent against them.

By the way, your combo of Nagi, CA and whatever may be fairly potent I think.

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[AggonyShim2]

GRRR... my psw don't work for old name now i must use new one http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gifAh well... as you can see most people that use the cav archers are good cav generals (ie Tera) (that wasn't a compliment by the way) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif but i just came out of a battle where my cav archers numbered at 120 in all killed more then my whole army did... they are extremely effective.. you must learn to you use them guys!
BTW cheetah i have always had that ability to stirr things up http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif by the end of the week this will be a major discussion http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[Krasturak]

*creeps out of coffin*

*drinks coffee*

*yawns*

*checks Gah!tling gun*

Gah! It's gone!

*reads posts looking for it*

Gah! Found it! Vanya has stolen the Gah!tling gun to equip his vile cav archers!

Of course only cav archers would commit such a low-down, unworthy, horrible crime, abusing the Gah!tling gun by applying it to tasks for which it was never intended.

Cav archers are always stealing kills from Krast's Evil Army, and this is just the last straw.

From now on, Krast will punish them by inducting them into the Evil Army and making them eat the same crow as the rest of the men.

Gah!

*creeps back into coffin*

*closes coffin*

[This message has been edited by Krasturak (edited 01-24-2002).]

[MagyarKhans Cham]

there is just one big disadvantage by using horsearchers for the less skilled players....

it takes micromanaging to make them highly effective and therefor takes some time away looking after your army. esp once combat starts time is valuable.

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[Satake]

If you got the guts or the koku think about upgrading these babies... They are excellent at mowing down nd and monks with their arrows... And h2h they pack a punch if their honor is ok (ofcourse h0 cav archers won't kill much in h2h). Cav archers do very well against ND in h2h as well... And for rear attacks , they are effective on every unit. If you have 4 guns and so does the enemy but he has no ca... you will win the shootout by far and you will be able to force him to attack you... CA rock http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[AggonyShim2]

he he he WO HOOO!!!

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[MagyarKhans Cham]

hi shim, so for u it would be better NOT to use them. focus on the game mechanics first http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[Katasaki Hirojima]

I suggest training with Yari. They're fast enough to make up for mistakes until you get better. Then move up to Heavy Cav, with the power to take on most units. Then CA, the ultimate Cavalry.. ;p

I'v had alot of success with the Heavy Cav/Cav Archer 'wrecking ball'.. ;p

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[CaptMac]

I had not been using this unit after disasterous results in early SP campaigns. It was my inexperience.
In most recent campaign I "rediscovered" this unit.....They Rock. The old saying "It's not what you have, but the way you use it" http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif really applies with this unit. Also found improved weapons and armor really make a difference.
The CA really do great as flankers and harassing either the enemys' front or rear units. I found that the remainder of the campaign is turning into: Now how can best take advantage of the CAs...hehe had some interesting results.
Really need to make sure (Micromanagement)they are not engaged (unless you order the engagement) by foot units or the results are disasterous.