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Could this be Ningata Cav? Or the Mad Monks?
No Dachi kill fast but die fast too?
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Gregoshi
01-26-2002, 02:00
For me in online play, the best killing unit was any enemy unit. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Seriously, it has always been YS simply because they usually make up about 50% of my army (which may explain my comment above http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif). I usually went for more realistic type armies rather than load up on WM & ND. Besides, my WM & ND always took more casualties than they gave. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif
I can't confidently include any MI/WE units since my online experience with them is nil and SP is limited.
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Gregoshi
A Member of Clan Doragon
once it was archers in 1k games but now its BN when the are in the enemey's back.
Actually YS are defensive units and like all defensive units (e.g. nag and hc) they kill slow. But they die slow.
Shock troops kill faster...monk, nods, nag, yc, mainly.
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Gregoshi
01-26-2002, 03:58
But Tera, slow is good for me. It means I stay in the battle a little longer. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Gregoshi
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I hate totally, utterly, completely, defensive units http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif (except HC, which are actually my favourite, but just because they have great shock properties too)
I like attacking fast and deadly...and YS don't make a part of my army...so I can't comment apart from the fact they kill slow as constipated turtles. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Krasturak
01-26-2002, 08:00
Gah!
The best killing units are the cavalry pursuing routing soldiers.
When this occurs, it is not only fun but also provides food for the hungry.
In abundance.
Gah!
Katasaki Hirojima
01-26-2002, 11:54
I like Yari Sam because you can get the most bang for your buck outta them. I normally pump them up to honour 6 or so and then usethem as a all around killing machine. They absorb arrows, slaughter cavalry and can take on expensive shock troops and beat them with a little help from the ranged and cavalry aspect of my army.
Yari Samurai, Yari cavalry and Musketmen make up my armies. I prefer to use Yari Cavalry because they're cheap and can kill all other kinds of horse with ease. Even H-cav with a lil bump in honour. Not to say I won't mix in other things.
Yari Cavalry are without a doubt the biggest killers. They can acctually run out infront of a routing army, spread out in a long thin line and hack down the entire army as it trys to run by. They can flank better then any cavalry and can really cause men to pee in there pants and flee.
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
01-26-2002, 17:25
The YS is a very good killing unit with high honour and good weapon and armour upgrades, but the HC is th best of the lot. Pump honour wepons and armour onto an HC and there isn't much that can beat you.
But to contrast that HC are very expnsive and will considerably weaken your koku flow for other units. This will give you a weak army except for that HC. I used to pack my army with YA because they were cheap fast and easy to upgrade. The only problem is even when ur Taisho was near them they would still waver and leg it!
So now i'm not sure. I need to do sme experimentation with diffrent armies.
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Vlad The Impaler
01-26-2002, 21:13
i think that heavy cavalry are the best;
and also the great monks
yari are also good
u shoukd always think about the koku u spended..ofcourse every unit with high honour and upgrades will be a nice killer...
but...
take 1000 koku and say wich unit is best if u spend this 1000 koku....
u cant say it!!!
it always depends of the situation.
if uask e wich of my units get (a average of maybe 100 games) the most kills.....i would say
the cavs get the most kills, no difference between the cavs, all get many kills...the CA too
koc
if you buy a charged up HC and run it at a spear unit costing quite a bit less, you will see your expensive horses running very quickly away from the pointy sticks.
I've gotta say that my Yari Samuri are by far the best units I have. But that's only because people end up using way too many cavalry when playing.
It also may be the fact that I have a decoy archer, or Calvary Archer for the enemy Yari Calvary to drool over while I leave my YS a ways behind (people can't help but go for those archers), because of lags and the fact that the enemy still has a contingent that are not YC that they have to worry about they completely forget about those YC and I mutilate them. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
I love my YS http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
If we go by the rating
(total price of heads taken by unit) / (total price of heads unit lost)
What will it be for you?
Me? Maybe Nag Cav or SA or musk, definitely not YS or ND.
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In close battles usually a cav unit, nag or hc mostly.
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
01-27-2002, 17:39
HC are the eite of the army, as they were in history. The richer Daimyo spend money on his men so that they could become cavalry. Obviously not all of his loyal subjects, but many. Yet HC and any cavalry have weaknesses'.
1)stakes(braveheart),yari,artillery.Cavalry needed room to build up their charge to full capacity, and in this room they were prime targets for artillery to hit them.
2)tight formations,i.e. squares(battle of Waterloo)!
3)Fatigue,horses are gonna get tired more quickly than infantry who walk around. The idea ofcavalry was a quick burst to open up ranks and cause confusion,to do this they had to run so they got tired more quickly.
But still my HC would have to be the best unit I have.
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Well if you're going for heads taken to heads lost it can only be Kensi or BN but muskets are also good. For MP the best must be BN.
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TakedaShingen li
01-29-2002, 03:19
i think the nodachi are better than monk becuase you can take a monk 2 honor a nd 4 honor i know a monk 2 h baets a 4 honored nodachi but when you got 2 honored monks they route faster in da melee or shot with guns.
do people agree with this so i take 4 nodaci 4 h 1 monk 3 honor for a fresh unit to scare some nd or ys.
the monks get killed faster than nodachi.
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