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DojoRat
10-31-2003, 18:58
I finally got that monkey off my back and built that (early, French GA) citadel in Tripoli. It was great fun. You have to balance the need to maintain good defensive armies in France while raising enough income to mount effective Crusades. Many of the big points have been mentioned already; drive England off the continent, build up your trade, and get to Tripoli by 1150-60 to give yourself enough time to build. But I thought I'd mention some odd things I notice.

1. Take Wessex after all of France is blue. I did this to make peace with the Engllish oddly enough. In my previous campaigns they stayed hostile no matter who asked them but soon after I took Wessex they were very reasonable.

2. Scout ahead to determine if you're going by land or by sea. If the Turks have Byzantium on the run it will be tough to go overland. You might fight your way through but you'll be weak and have both the Turks and the Egyptians mad at you. If the Byzantines rule you should have little problem arriving in Antioch with most of your army intact.

3. Antioch first if going overland. Hopefully its adjacent to a greek lesser Armenia. It becomes the battleground for the inevitable Egyptian counter attack leaving Tripoli's infrastructure intact for your second Crusade. Also in Antioch you can quickly build an Inn for Mercs and a horse farm for your +1 Turcopoles.

4. I found going by sea harder. Ships cost money and take time. You will also have to use more of your own forces to fill out the crusades. You can't depend on "allied shipping" and you never know when the Italians will get testy and take out a link in you chain.

5. You can do everthing right and still run out of time. In my second try I had everything set but the Italians were sitting on the Pope so no crusades. I guess you don't need a crusade to build the citadel but it doesn't seem kosher somehow.

Anyway, this campaign really kept me on my toes.

The Wizard
10-31-2003, 19:21
Well, congrats http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Jacque Schtrapp
10-31-2003, 20:06
Oi Do you honestly expect us to believe... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Very nice First chap I've heard of who's done it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

DojoRat
10-31-2003, 22:17
Quote[/b] (Jacque Schtrapp @ Oct. 31 2003,13:06)]Oi Do you honestly expect us to believe... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Very nice First chap I've heard of who's done it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Not the first. In fact, it was someone's post in a recent "help with France" topic saying that they did it on the first try that got me going.

Needless to say my wife was suitably impressed. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif

bhutavarna
10-31-2003, 23:20
i've done it once, by sea invasion.

first i kicked english back to the isle. i allied myself with the germans, aragons, and spanish as soon as possible, which i think is crucial because otherwise you're screwed from 3 directions.

then i built 2 shipyards, one at toulouse, the other at normandy, to quickly develop trade and reach tripoli. the ships also contained english to the isle and allowed me to do raid/plunder when low in cash.

about 10 years before invasion, i built two armies. on crusade day i sent both. i landed in egypt because tripoli is blockaded, then marched quickly there. i killed all egypt ships immediately after invasion so that my supply lines kept open. the two armies was enough to capture tripoli and repel on counter attack. after that i had to reinforce.

i don't remember exactly when i finished the citadel, but i was quite a few years before deadline.

i don't like land crusades, too unreliable.

Quokka
10-31-2003, 23:25
Congratulations

I haven't even played France yet, but that one GA requirement always struck me as nigh on impossible.

Did you build anything else there or just build straight to the Fortress? Thats what always got me, I thought in the time allowed you'd have to build pretty much straight through to a Fortress and not be able to build any troop producers. Whats the point of an empty Fortress? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

TheSilverKnight
10-31-2003, 23:31
I like all the glory goals, so I made all the modded playable factions unplayable (Pope, Novgorod, Swiss, etc.) so I could play GA again. I like the Le Krak Chevaliers. Gives me a challenge as the French

Brutal DLX
11-03-2003, 11:11
Congratulations Now retreat to France and try to conquer it again for a 2nd challenge http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

DojoRat
11-03-2003, 15:18
Quote[/b] (Quokka @ Oct. 31 2003,16:25)]Congratulations

I haven't even played France yet, but that one GA requirement always struck me as nigh on impossible.

Did you build anything else there or just build straight to the Fortress? Thats what always got me, I thought in the time allowed you'd have to build pretty much straight through to a Fortress and not be able to build any troop producers. Whats the point of an empty Fortress? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
The point is to get the points. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I went straight for the citadel,even though I had time, just to get it out of the way. I had taken Antioch first and it took the brunt of the fighting. When the second crusade for Tripoli arrived the Egyptians retreated and left me a keep, a ship builder and some other low tech buildings. Soon my ships reached the Levant and the Egyptians were history. Land crusades gave me a lot of units so I didn't need many new ones except for cheap garrison ones to mind the store while I expanded.

The Wizard
11-03-2003, 15:35
I love medmod where you can construct those awesome Outremer units... very nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

jLan
11-05-2003, 12:50
I managed that GA in one of my most successful campaigns ever... I used the sea route though.

Kristaps
11-05-2003, 16:21
Did it yesterday as well: used Italian fleet to get the crusades right to Egyptian backyard very early in the campaign...