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there is quite a lot discussion about the strength and weaknesses of japaneese unit types but i have never seen any discussion on mongols. why?
for instance, what about korean guardsmen?
it seems that they are stronger than nodachi, thus the mongols have a stronger cav. in all respect, and they have a stronger inf. too!!
Vlad The Impaler
01-26-2002, 18:20
well...as far as i know about..the ND easily slaughter korean guardsmen
BomilkarDate
01-26-2002, 19:04
Forget the mongol infantry. Korean Spearmen are crap (weaker than YS and cost same), the guardsmen are to spoil your koku (try them against naginatas), the thunderbombers are easy to take out with a cav attack or some archers, the only infantry thats not to bad is korean skirmishers. But they cost a lot. So Japanese infantry is by far superior to the mongol lads, but still mongols have a really strong cav.
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Bomilkar Date
Quote well...as far as i know about..the ND easily slaughter korean guardsmen[/QUOTE]
... in their sleep http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Quote the guardsmen are to spoil your koku (try them against naginatas)[/QUOTE]
you want to chase the mongols around the map with your nagis? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Vlad The Impaler
01-26-2002, 21:08
Cheetah...ND are mare for beating yari/nagi; they'll easily beat korean spearmen and guardmen cause they're about the same as their japanese counterparts;
and u'll not chase with nagis ..u ll chase with cavalry after ur heavy infantry will rout the mongol horde..
chinese/koreean infantry is weak
thier only mission is to support the main strike force ( heavy cavalry ) and defend the mounted archers agains fast japanese cavalry
Cheetah,
Best Mongol strategy I think is to eliminate any Japanese cav units with the Mongol cav, and then use the Korean Infantry to fix the Japanese infantry while the Mongol cav flanks it. In online play, rush tactics with certain Mongol/Korean units can be very effective, but I think there are counters to these rushes if you have the right Japanese units. I'm not sure why more Mongol games are not being played online since the v1.02 patch. The sides are balanced better now.
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theforce
01-26-2002, 23:05
In multi when someone plays against Mongols then he shall get many ys units.
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Quote Originally posted by Cheetah:
i have never seen any discussion on mongols. why?
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no-one seems to play with mongols because i haven't seen many japanese armies beating mongol hordes, and mongol V mongol is too quick for a lot of 'newer' players.
BomilkarDate
01-26-2002, 23:29
Cheetah, you use your Naginata for defense. If the guardsmen attack the Naginata will stand like a rock. I did some tests and I sometimes got about 37 of my Naginata still alive, when the last ten or fifteen mongols ran (same honour, weapon, and armour levels). If you have to attack the guardsmen, you can flank them with cavs or no dachis. Mongol infantry units often think about going home if you do this. Again, the strength of the mongols is their cav, not their infantry. Mongols are mobile, that makes them so strong.
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Bomilkar Date
Quote If the guardsmen attack the Naginata will stand like a rock. [/QUOTE]
I have no doubt about this. but...
Quote Mongols are mobile, that makes them so strong.[/QUOTE]
i.e. they can outmanouvre your slow nagis. moreover, with the japanese you HAVE TO attack since MLC better than CA and skirmishers better than SA. you just cannot sit and wait for the guardsmen to attack.
Katasaki Hirojima
01-27-2002, 01:52
LMAO, A mongol infantry is weak?? YOu guys are nuts.
Those Skirmishers are demons in patato sacks. Yari Infantry have low base costs, thus pumping there honour and upgrades is easy. Gaurdsmen are also good, but only to fight ND and Jap Yari Sams.
As for there cavalry, Mongol Light cavalry is almost worthless to me. Its there heavy cav that always impresses me. The only reason I keep MLC at all is to have some better ranged capabilities.
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
01-27-2002, 02:55
An interesting conversation, I feel that MLC can be very useful with a screen of guardsmen infront of them. The MLC are then flanked by MHC on both sides. Infront of them are skirmishers(the ranged units). THis gives the 'defender' the advantage that his ranged are screened for protection, but defense can become attack with the guards charging forward, and the MHC flanking. But this movement shud only be used near the end of a battle as a 'mopping up' manouvere otherwise it can be very hard to keep your guards from dying too quickly.
The Mongols have a very very powerful army when used properly and can destroy any japanese army fielded!
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Sanda bomas are the best unit of them all. All it takes is ONE volley from these porcelain gods to make the enemy run for their worthless lives.
A boma in a crowd is worth a thousand arrows.
Gregoshi
01-29-2002, 02:55
And they don't seem to mind if they happen to blow up a few of their own. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
01-29-2002, 03:09
Thunda Bombers are good in a crowd. Yet is three a crowd still??? or possibly a few more
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Quote sanda bomas are the best unit of them all.[/QUOTE]
sanda bomas? ... even the morning breeze can blow them away http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Quote Originally posted by Cheetah:
sanda bomas? ... even the morning breeze can blow them away http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif [/QUOTE]
Kinda like spitting into the wind... or spitting forward while your head is out the window of a moving car... eh?
Mongols eh?
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