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Forward Observer
11-02-2003, 21:40
One of the subjects that comes up from time to time is the lack of cut-scenes(CGA's)in MTW, especially when compared those that populated STW.
While gameplay is most important, it would be nice to have a few short CGA's for special events and particularily as a reward for finishing the game. I would assume that with the new RTW 3D engine, animated cut-scenes could made somewhat easier by using in-game graphics and motion capture.
Maybe I'm odd, but in Shogun, I always enjoyed watching the ending movie no matter how many times I had seen it. It just seemed like a fitting reward for finishing a game.
I also always watch the opening movie for MTW just to get me in the medieval warfaring mood. I realize that with all of the different factions represented in MTW, which encompass many diverse cultures, coming up with generic animated cut scenes might have been an insurmountable task, but I do think that the ending could have been a little more sophisticated in this respect.
While the ending narative in MTW is well done, being forced to stare at that single stylized picture of the winning faction's throne room is pretty lacking in closure---especially for just having conquered all of the known world Even a slide show, much like the ending credits, would be an improvement.
Any other thoughts on this?
The_Emperor
11-03-2003, 00:18
From what I have seen of the RTW engine from Time Commanders. In Game Cutscenes could be handled well by the engine with its ability to zoom right in on the men so close.
I for one think there should be some form of cutscene for key events...
And of course what I want to see is a THRONE ROOM, the likes of which we didn't have in MTW.
chilling
11-03-2003, 00:56
Assassin movies would do.
They were the best bit.
Quote[/b] ]And of course what I want to see is a THRONE ROOM, the likes of which we didn't have in MTW.
Good point all hail the Emperor I wish for a throne room too. You do mean like in the civ games where the people would spontaniusly decide to make your throne room look better, only one problem is in rome, unless you are the imperator you wouldnt have a throne, only a senate seat http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Yeah, I kinda miss being "insulted" by seeing my emissionaries head in a basket. The map of Japan was very useful, it let me get a general idea of who owned what, helped for my strategic alliances.
Quote[/b] (Forward Observer @ Nov. 02 2003,14:40)]Maybe I'm odd, but in Shogun, I always enjoyed watching the ending movie no matter how many times I had seen it. It just seemed like a fitting reward for finishing a game.
So did I... I loved it. It was epic actually. I really felt like I had done something impressive. I never got the same feeling in MTW.
Further, I also loved the small movies when you started teh campaigns. Different for each date and one for each Historical Campaign. That was great
The Throne Room would be great too, but the small assassin movies and so on... Well, no.
Kongamato
11-04-2003, 01:41
I read somewhere they are adding movies. With the facial animations they have tacked on to the in-game models, they'll be capable of making in-game cutscenes and movies.
It would be interesting if they could meld these into battles. I would like to see a living, breathing weatherman speaking on the field, so I can stop him from living and breathing when it suddenly starts raining
Leet Eriksson
11-04-2003, 06:26
Hmmmm,hopefully each throne room will look different,in STW all throne rooms looked the same with a few differences,in RTW i hope they make them more diverse,like for EXAMPLE the carthagenian throne room has a load of slaves,and the roman throne room has aload of advisors and the ptolmac throne room with a load of concubines...ehhh cut the concubines,but it seems fitting as to how "egyptian" they are looking... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Brutal DLX
11-04-2003, 12:56
I hope they'll include a throne room, where you also can view various statistics, a more detailed world map and have a shogun like advisor. Also emissaries from other realms would get an audience here, and you may click on your bodyguards and give them the order to throw the guy out or send him back...in pieces. Would be a nice way to worsen relationships or provoke wars. Also captured kings/heirs/vital generals could be brought in here and "negotiated" with.
Also some cutscenes and game-end movies shoudl be in there, can't take up too much space since it could be rendered by the in-game engine.
I always loved the ninja assassinating the priest cutscenes. BOOM lol
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I doubt we will see a throne room. I just remembered a screenshot where a treaty is being negotiated, and it is basically the same as in MTW just with several selections as to what it is supposed to do.
The_Emperor
11-04-2003, 20:23
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Nov. 04 2003,17:28)]I doubt we will see a throne room. I just remembered a screenshot where a treaty is being negotiated, and it is basically the same as in MTW just with several selections as to what it is supposed to do.
Hey come on, the Game is still in Development... We need to start a Throne Room Movement
Keep screaming guys... We want a Throne Room (hey it worked for a MTW Patch) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Yeah, a throne room really adds to the atmophere. I have to say that although MTW is a better game than STW, STW was a lot more immersive. You really got into the mindset of the game.
The buddhist peom mixed in with the offer of cease fire, alliance offer really let me see how courteous Japanese politics were at the time. I missed it in MTW and don't want to see it missing again in RTW.
Another thing I miss is my advisors overreaction to good or bad harvests.
Quote[/b] (spmetla @ Nov. 04 2003,16:40)]Yeah, a throne room really adds to the atmophere. I have to say that although MTW is a better game than STW, STW was a lot more immersive. You really got into the mindset of the game.
The buddhist peom mixed in with the offer of cease fire, alliance offer really let me see how courteous Japanese politics were at the time. I missed it in MTW and don't want to see it missing again in RTW.
Another thing I miss is my advisors overreaction to good or bad harvests.
You said it man
I have long felt like that too. MTW was a refinement of playability but it went the other way with the feeling of the game. I feel much more like a Japanese warlord than a European king (I feel like some kind of god or something, like all other games).
I tried to say this several months ago, but nobody seemed to notice.
Quote[/b] ]I tried to say this several months ago, but nobody seemed to notice.
It's ok. We'll listen now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
RisingSun
11-05-2003, 23:40
CA said that they were putting in movies for earthquakes and such. I really hope this extends to assassin movies. Those were great. I made ninjas just for the uspense of watching those movies. And those throne rooms WERE great. I also liked the advisors. "No-able load Great ne-ews You haf a sonnnn" I just loved that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
RisingSun
11-05-2003, 23:41
CA said that they were putting in movies for earthquakes and such. I really hope this extends to assassin movies. Those were great. I made ninjas just for the uspense of watching those movies. And those throne rooms WERE great. I also liked the advisors. "No-able load Great ne-ews You haf a sonnnn" I just loved that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
RisingSun
11-05-2003, 23:42
CA said that they were putting in movies for earthquakes and such. I really hope this extends to assassin movies. Those were great. I made ninjas just for the uspense of watching those movies. And those throne rooms WERE great. I also liked the advisors. "No-able load Great ne-ews You haf a sonnnn" I just loved that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Don't press the add reply button more than once. If the page has an error or it's going slow your reply was still sent. Just practice patience. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Quote[/b] ]I doubt we will see a throne room. I just remembered a screenshot where a treaty is being negotiated, and it is basically the same as in MTW just with several selections as to what it is supposed to do.
Hmmmmm if you remember Shogun well enough the throne room was an option you could turn on and off. You know maybe they are doing the same thing for RTW so you can turn it off after seeing 1000 chopped heads coming through the throne room and becomes boring
BTW I always loved Lord Oda's throneroom. Chopped off heads sitting on stakes if you never noticed
Quote[/b] (oaty @ Nov. 05 2003,21:23)]BTW I always loved Lord Oda's throneroom. Chopped off heads sitting on stakes if you never noticed
Yeah it fit him well.
But I liked the Shimazu throne room, it was like a tropical bungalow, real nice.
Jacque Schtrapp
11-06-2003, 21:04
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Nov. 04 2003,18:31)]MTW was a refinement of playability but it went the other way with the feeling of the game.
The atmosphere and the storyline are equally important as gameplay in immersing the player in the world the devs are creating. It is very true that there were numerous subtle intricasies that I never fully appreciated about Shogun until I found them absent in Medieval. The throne room was nice, but I preferred the small cut scenes, each individual units ensign, and things like the Daimyos death poems. It showed a level of thoughtful research and dedication that is lacking from MTW. I do feel a part of the Shogun world, sadly I have yet to feel the same in MTW. If they can find a way to mesh the gameplay improvements and scope of Medieval with the authenticity and immersion of Shogun.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Fear the sacrifices made in the name of increasing sales. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Parmenio
11-08-2003, 19:01
The homogenious nature of the STW factions lent itself well to CGI cutscenes.
All the different cultures in MTW would have demanded a great many more cutscenes for each faction on faction variation, and this could potentionally be a problem in RTW too, unless the game focuses specfically on Roman factions.
Quote[/b] (Jacque Schtrapp @ Nov. 06 2003,14:04)]The atmosphere and the storyline are equally important as gameplay in immersing the player in the world the devs are creating. It is very true that there were numerous subtle intricasies that I never fully appreciated about Shogun until I found them absent in Medieval. The throne room was nice, but I preferred the small cut scenes, each individual units ensign, and things like the Daimyos death poems. It showed a level of thoughtful research and dedication that is lacking from MTW. I do feel a part of the Shogun world, sadly I have yet to feel the same in MTW. If they can find a way to mesh the gameplay improvements and scope of Medieval with the authenticity and immersion of Shogun.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Fear the sacrifices made in the name of increasing sales. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Parminio is right of course, but I feel exactly like you Jacque. I can't even understand how I forgot about the deathpoems, but were they really individual poems for every Daimyo? I thought they were just random every time.
We can get that feeling back, but certain aspects will not be possible in the same way. I hope the feeling will be there.
I have played MTW again ad again because it is a diverse and fun game, but I played STW again and again after the first few completed campaigns, because I felt like a true warlord in a land ripped apart by warfare.
Dwimmerlaik
11-10-2003, 17:30
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Nov. 10 2003,12:18)]I can't even understand how I forgot about the deathpoems, but were they really individual poems for every Daimyo? I thought they were just random every time.
Actually, if you visit the Samurai Archives website you'll see that the death poems for the various daimyo are authentic, at least for the most prominent daimyos for each clan. So the Oda death poem would be Nobunaga's or Hideyoshi's and so on.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif
Quote[/b] (Dwimmerlaik @ Nov. 10 2003,10:30)]Actually, if you visit the Samurai Archives website you'll see that the death poems for the various daimyo are authentic, at least for the most prominent daimyos for each clan. So the Oda death poem would be Nobunaga's or Hideyoshi's and so on.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif
Thank you, that is actually a website I have used a lot. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
But I actually meant in game. I wanted to know if the poems were the same every time for the same Daimyo, Nobunaga would get the same poem every time. But since you answer this way, it seems so.
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