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Hi guys. I've been trawling these forums for a couple of days, and call me wierd but I've enjoyed reading other peoples stories of their particular campaigns - so I thought I'd share mine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
This is my last MTW campaign ever. To my secret shame - I've never actually finished a MTW campaign. It's been the same since STW; I'd get to say, conquer half the map, and then be plagued with rebellions or re-emergences, as well as coming up against another superpower with 9 stacks of 900 peasants in every provence. Alternatively, I'd be doing well enough that the rest would seem just to be mopping up work, but it'd be too slow for my liking because of loyalty problems and sheer scale.
So, this time I'm determined to finish the campaign (ie. own every single provence) and then uninstall the bastard. Don't get me wrong, I really fanatically love the game, it just takes way more of my diminishing free time than I can spare these days http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
My parameters - Spanish/early/normal (yah Im a wuss - I go higher it takes too much time fighting insanely equipped rebellions). Playing GA just cause I like it.
My starting plan - crush the Almohads and the Aragonese, kick the Egyptians right back up to my crusade destinations in the Levant (Tripoli, Antioch, Edessa, one other?). Meanwhile try and keep my Catholic neighbours on side (and hopefully fighting each other). If I don't kill all the Aragonese in one turn this could prove difficult.
I started aggressive, attacking and taking Aragon in turn 2 (phew - any longer and that fertile Aragonese Queen would start popping out Royal Knights, horses and all). The Portugese came on side for a bit of monetary compensation, and I declared war on the Almos just after they'd expended a fair amount of troops killing the rebels in Valencia. A couple of tense battles followed, including 2 units of Archers, 2 units of Spearman and Prince Ferdinand holding off a 600 strong force in Granada. Sadly young Ferdy was killed by an unlucky rally of enemy spearmen.
Anyway, after that the Almos went down fairly easy (I employed a whole bunch of mercs to help out) and their King was killed heirless in Tunisia. The bulk of the Egyptian army was crushed in Egypt by a late charge by my first unit of sparkling new Royal Knights (and also by the AI's decision to postition most of its troop in a deep bowl between two dunes .. ? ) and I advanced just short of my southernmost crusade destination.
I thought it would be strangely amusing to setup Egypt as the spiritual centre of Catholic Spain, so I went stagnant for a while until I had a Church and Chapter House there.
Meanwhile, I'd backed the English against the French (from my own experiences the French have a quite difficult early starting position) and married all my Princesses and Princes to English spouses. Unfortunately the French appear to kick the English all over the shop and soon the English 'are no longer a threat'. I didn't trust those slimy French http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif so I started reinforcing Aragon and Navarre. Soon enough the dirty renegade Catholics attacked, but the 7 units of archers camped on a mountain drove them off again and again, it was quite amusing. I did however lose two entire units of Knights who I forgot are apt to charge whenever they damn well feel like it. The French attack every couple of years but Im starting to get some pretty decent troops by now and the terrain from France -> Spain vastly favours the defender, so my northern borders are pretty secure.
Meanwhile Leon and Cordoba have started pumping out ships for quick troop movement to and from North Africa.
By the time the first Egyption crusade is built 12 or so years later, I have seven (!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif heirs, a decent troop base and fair income. Unfortunately I didn't have enough agents to spare to properly scout out the Levant (they were flat out keeping the French from assassinating my super-defenders in Navarre & Aragon, and trying to find wives for all the heirs), but when my first crusade arrived (I simultaneously took Arabia) I found a tiny Turkish kingdom, the remains of the Egyptians and a couple of rebel provinces. Obviously the Byzants have done all my work for me.
About now my original king died. I left the new king just camping in Castille for minimal loyalty problems (the old one was always first to charge a fleeing peasant unit - can't have that kind of foolhardiness with this new king!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. Also meant I had 6 ex-princes all with 7+ acumen, builder & steward, who make great governers.
By the time the last of the four crusades is seigeing the heathen rebels in
Edessa (strangely the hardest battle of the four), I've got some serious
income coming in as I've got trade routes to all the Catholic nations - if I
remember rightly I had like 100000+ florins. Castille is starting to pump out
+2/+3 Feudal Knights, and the 'Egyptian Inquisition' (hehe - yah I know I should have used Inquisitors from Castille but it was cooler this way) is in full swing in France.
However, the Byzants are looking pretty tough and are starting to amass troops along my borders. After a couple of years building up after the last crusade I hit em with everything I've got (including 4 crusades-worth of Holy Feet & Knights of Santiago). I grabbed 5 provinces from them by force and two by bribe in the first year of the war and suddenly I wasn't as worried http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I pushed them back as far as Constantinople and Kazar quite quickly. The only weak point was they overpowered my Mediterranean navy so reinforcements where few and far between.
Meanwhile, I'd backed the English against the French (from my own experiences the French have a quite difficult early starting position) and married all my Princesses and Princes to English spouses. Unfortunately the French appear to kick the English all over the shop and soon the English 'are no longer a threat'. I didn't trust those slimy French http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif so I started reinforcing Aragon and Navarre. Soon enough the dirty renegade Catholics attacked, but the 7 units of archers camped on a mountain drove them off again and again, it was quite amusing. I did however lose two entire units of Knights who I forgot are apt to charge whenever they damn well feel like it. The French attack every couple of years but Im starting to get some pretty decent troops by now and the terrain from France -> Spain vastly favours the defender, so my northern borders are pretty secure.
Meanwhile Leon and Cordoba have started pumping out ships for quick troop movement to and from North Africa.
By the time the first Egyption crusade is built 12 or so years later, I have seven (!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif heirs, a decent troop base and fair income. Unfortunately I didn't have enough agents to spare to properly scout out the Levant (they were flat out keeping the French from assassinating my super-defenders in Navarre & Aragon, and trying to find wives for all the heirs), but when my first crusade arrived (I simultaneously took Arabia) I found a tiny Turkish kingdom, the remains of the Egyptians and a couple of rebel provinces. Obviously the Byzants have done all my work for me.
About now my original king died. I left the new king just camping in Castille for minimal loyalty problems (the old one was always first to charge a fleeing peasant unit - can't have that kind of foolhardiness with this new king!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. Also meant I had 6 ex-princes all with 7+ acumen, builder & steward, who make great governers.
By the time the last of the four crusades is seigeing the heathen rebels in
Edessa (strangely the hardest battle of the four), I've got some serious
income coming in as I've got trade routes to all the Catholic nations - if I
remember rightly I had like 100000+ florins. Castille is starting to pump out
+2/+3 Feudal Knights, and the 'Egyptian Inquisition' (hehe - yah I know I should have used Inquisitors from Castille but it was cooler this way) is in full swing in France.
However, the Byzants are looking pretty tough and are starting to amass troops along my borders. After a couple of years building up after the last crusade I hit em with everything I've got (including 4 crusades-worth of Holy Feet & Knights of Santiago). I grabbed 5 provinces from them by force and two by bribe in the first year of the war and suddenly I wasn't as worried http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I pushed them back as far as Constantinople and Kazar quite quickly. The only weak point was they overpowered my Mediterranean navy so reinforcements where few and far between.
With my empire getting kind of big I was starting to worry about rebellions.
While I was consolodating my Byzantinian holdings I churned out stupid amounts
of peasants, aiming for at least 200 peasants in every province. I only had
one Brothel - at that time most of my spies where concentrating on trying to get
England to rebel. Anyway, with four successful crusades under my belt I think
2 units of peasants should keep everyone happy for the time being. I also
flooded out some Egyption Catholic Priests... by 1180 I had a Priest in every
single province that wasn't mine. Some have since been assasinated though -
word to my man in Finland Don Pedro, who is some kind of ninja Priest (4
stars) after surving nearly 10 assassination attempts.
Things went from bad to worse for the Byzants - just after I started to push
into their remaining provences, the Novgorodians re-emerged and took it to
them in the North. My spies and my eventual naval victory saw all their island
holding rebel, and by 1175 I stormed the castle that the Byzant Emperor and
his vicious bodyguard (3 -1 valor peasants) where holed up in. The bastard had
'Great Warrior' and some other combat virtue - even with a mangonel and 8
catapults taking out every arrow tower in reach, I lost 320 cavalry and
infantry trying to kill him
I quickly followed up by trouncing the spread-to-thin Novgorodians - and thats
how it stands at 1187. I own everything except east Europe/Britain/Denmark
basically, France is having trouble with rebellions and heretics (4x5 star
Inquisitors are having a great time), I think I'll kill them last. The HRE is
looking pretty strong, and Im kinda worried about attacking Catholics - a
rebellion due to excommunication could be devestating at this point. I might
try baiting the Polish first.
Anyway, Ill update as I get closer to victory - Im guessing no-one actually
cares but me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif but as its my final game I figured I might as well pay some
homage.
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HopAlongBunny
11-03-2003, 10:09
Wooot
Sounds great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Just don't kill'em all too quick http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Why play Spanish if you don't get a shot at playing with the Lancers? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
King John II
11-03-2003, 12:39
As with virtually all turn based games (except bridge, maybe) the early phase is more fun than the later. Mainly because micro-management gets to be more of a bind when you have a lot of provinces but also because the final outcome stops being in doubt.
But your particular frustration - with revolts - can be overcome.
Just scroll through your provinces before ending each year and adjust tax and troops to ensure that no province drops below 120% loyalty.
Mostly that means taking provinces one per year. Although as you get close to the end you can sometimes increase the rate to one faction per year.
A second precaution is to raise tax rates in newly conquered territory no more than one notch (starting at the minimum) per year.
Checking each province each year you will notice that loyalty can jump up or drop down very wildly. But tax rates and keeping a healthy number of peasant units on hand gives you sufficient control.
As long as you stay vigilant.
At a guess you were within two to three hours of finishing each of your games (using autocalc to resolve battles) if you had controlled the rebelion aspect.
Whereas allowing rebelion you may have been only half way through each, or less.
Old Bald Guy
11-03-2003, 12:55
I understand about the dwindling free time, oldnewb, and I really hate to do this to ya, but before you uninstall, download and install the MedMod. You'll feel like it's a whole new game and many of the things you don't like will be gone. Not only that, but it will test your skills to the maximum. However, there goes your free time. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Good story. You're not weird. I like 'em, too.
OBG
Derfal Cadarn
11-03-2003, 14:24
hmmmmm only one brothel for an entire nations army
guess your men are too busy on the battlefield to worry about any recreational time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Nice story there oldnewb,
I agree with OBG over there, Medmod is a great add on to MTW and if you enjoyed the original game at all you should check it out atleast once. its well worth it.
And your not weird for liking stories...i like em to http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
:dissapears back into a shadowy corner mumbling something about a ring: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Jeebus_Frist
11-03-2003, 17:38
Great story Definitely give the MedMod a whirl. It's like a whole new game, new units and faction specific units for every faction, limited troop producing homelands slow expansion and make defence harder, and smarter AI building priorities which means no more peasants armies
Check out MedMod3.12 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=11970)
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Gregoshi
11-03-2003, 20:51
Do'h You made a double post on this story, didn't you oldnewb? True to form, I responded to the one that nobody else responded to. Typical me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif I guess I'll copy my response in the other topic to this topic.
Here it is:
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Welcome aboard oldnewb. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Thanks for sharing your campaign story. If you take care of your people you shouldn't have to worry about rebellions. Build stuff for them - farms, ports, churches, border forts, etc.
BTW, are you sure that priest's name is Don Pedro and not Rasputin?
I can identify with your campaign dilemma. I have not finished a MTW campaign yet due to time constraints. Alas, I've never seen the Late period. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif There is hope though (I tell myself).
Sjakihata
11-03-2003, 21:06
Actually, the hope is not too far away Gregoshi, as you can opt to start your campaign in late period, et voila, you don't have to waste time getting there. Of course, it is far more rewarding to get there through plenty of battles, intrigues, assassinations, bribes etc etc.
Good luck getting there
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oops, sorry about the double posts. The forum kept telling me that my post was too long and to hit back and shorten it, but it posted it anyway http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Just now though I've noticed the 'Check Message Length' feature so I'll be sure not to do it again.
I did check out the feature list of medmod from some other people talking about it, but my decision stands - this is my last game (I can't go back on my word now, it's how I've been justifying not doing the dishes to my housemates http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )
derfal - its a very very busy brothel http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
Thanks for the tips on loyalty guys, I am aware of most of them - its just that managing a late game empire takes a lot of time each turn. So far I've only had one rebellion; so Im pretty sure Im doing ok (btw I cheat and use the 'auto-manage taxes' feature - that makes me feel so guilty that I never auto-resolve). Anyway, on with the story
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As the last sieges of Novgorod petered out, the Spanish kicked into high gear (I guess King Alfonso is having a midlife crisis or something). The only remaining factions were rebels and Catholics - fearing excommunication, the Spaniards did what any sensible empire would do: killed the Pope. Two full stacks of freshly minted troops moved by sea to take the two Papal States. One of the defending armies simply fled to the castle, while the Pope and a couple of ballistae stood their ground. Having learnt my lesson from the Byantine Emperor, after I had killed all his bodyguard I disengaged everyone besides a single unit (some Urban Militia I had brought along especially for this purpose) and peppered him with 4 units of archers until he finally died. I took more casualties from friendly fire than the enemy in this battle.
In the same year, the rebels in Sweden and that other northern province were bribed, along with armies in two of the three Polish provinces. I also attacked Denmark and Crotia, both containing fearsome one-province factions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Has anyone had a campaign where the Danes have actually moved out of there home province?
Attacking the Danes was actually kind of interesting - I had attacked with the wrong army. I had used my 'siege buster' army accidently - a mangonel, 8 or so catapults, some peasant/Milita arrow-fodder, 2 Fuedal Knights, 2 Turcopoles (lucky - I didn't mean for them to be in there) and two token units each Archers and Spearman. Facing of course, the Danish King and his four sons, some Vikings and some Spearmen. I was acutally kinda worried, he definitely had the morale advantage, and my general was only 1 star.
My plan was to lure one or two of his Royal Knights into my Spearman with some (possibly fleeing) Peasants, and then hit them from behind with my own cavalry (who were both full strength with weapon & armour upgrades). Meanwhile the Turcopoles would each try and keep another unit of Royal Knights busy, hopefully leaving only one Royal Knight unnaccounted for. Hopefully my line would hold long enough to get a couple of volleys of arrows into those bloody unbreakable Vikings.
The terrain was perfect for my plan, long and narrow with the sea on one side and hilly forests on the other. I marched up to about mid way (hiding some militia and peasants in the forest as I went) and charged some more peasants right at the King. They broke after about 50 casualties and ran right back right through my spearman, tieing up all the Knights except the two that where ineffectually chasing the Turcopoles in circles. I hit them with a unit of militia and cavalry from behind and I seemed to be winning - but the enemy infantry were getting pretty close. I tied them up with some sacrificial peasants who where hidden in the forests to buy me a bit more time. Luckily I killed their King pretty quickly and the enemy Spearmen broke, but I had to hit the Vikings with everything I had and suffered a lot of peasant/Militia casualties. Finally all that was left where the two Princes, and they sucumbed to overwhelming numbers (the Turcopoles had actually made quite a dint in them). Phew
HopAlongBunny
11-04-2003, 02:00
Wow
Well done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I probably would have retreated and waited to get my real army there. Playing through mistakes like that keeps the game challenging http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
The next year the inevitable happened - every Catholic declared war on me, and the massive Italian and Sicilian fleets wiped out my Mediterranean navy again (but I had expected that). The Italians didn't get the sea-province bordering Valencia though, and I moved a fresh stack by sea to the border of their kingdom Provence, intending revenge. I easily won, but decided that at the moment I didnt have the resources to properly hold any ground in southern Europe - so I razed the place and attacked again. This army was on a slash and burn campaign - I would come back to pick up the pieces later.
Meanwhile I moved some more trustworthy forces to Sweden et al, and the bulk of my forces moved into the last Polish province.
The HRE, perhaps sensing a pattern to my actions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif decided not to wait and attacked my heavily damaged force in Denmark and my army besiegeing the Hungarians in Croatia. The Crotian army was fine, but once again my Danish force looked in trouble. I set up three catapults, my archers and the surviving Spearman on a hill right at the edge of the map, along with some pathetically small groups of peasants, Militia and the 20 or so surviving Knights. The Turcoples where deployed as far forward as they could go.
I was against a force of 800 or so, Mounted Crossbowmen, Spearman, lots of swordsman, a couple of archers, some peasants and some heavy cav. Once again the Turcopoles were worth their weight in gold, 300 spearmen (slowly diminishing) chasing them around the map for most of the battle. As for the rest of the army, the very first catapult stone killed their general http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif , that and the fear that catapults cause made their units continually break before reforming (usually still within the catapult range). I slowly wore them down until everyone was in retreat - three catapults can really do a lot of damage to slow moving infantry. Next turn I finally reinforced these guys with some real troops.
Meanwhile the French are starting to make some headway against their rebels, and one of my inquisitors got dismantled http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif Since I can no longer hit any coastal province, my upcoming stacks out of Leon & Castille will finally attack the French.
And thats the state of play at 1196 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
bighairyman
11-04-2003, 05:47
just wait 4 more years till 1200 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Well, didn't get much time to play last night, finished at the start of 1198. A
lot happened though - after the traitorous Germans attacked completely unprovoked http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif I decided some punishment was in order. I attacked with overwhelming force and took 6 of their provinces. Most of the armies retreated to their castles, but I fought and defeated two of their larger stacks. Most of the sieges will end in one or two years.
Meanwhile the last Polish and Hungarian soldiers starved to death - now there are only rebels, the French, Italians, the HRE and the Sicilians (who have nothing but one province with 8 units of Royal Knights in it) left.
The 12 spies I have sitting in the north of Britain finally paid off - now the French have only the middle British province (Mercia?), the rebels hold the rest. Their poor King is trapped in Toulouse surrounded by rebels which I'm sure isn't helping their morale problems any. They are going to be easy pickings.
As I'm past the 60% mark all my governers are starting to get masses of -happiness vices, so I'm having to reinforce the garrisons in a lot of provinces. I also redistrubted all my spies to the worst affected provinces and made sure everyone has Border Forts just in case.
Meanwhile my Italian army is having a great time. I've completely razed two of their provinces. I'm not bothered about sieging them; I've got a couple of emissaries to bribe cowardly armies, while my army just moves to another province. This did result in my first ever military defeat this campaign though - the 17 Spearman and the catapult I bribed where unfortunately no match for the Italian King and one of his sons. I've beaten their main two-stack army, but the constant battles mean I'm down to about 3/4 strength in most units. Im pretty sure I can raze the entire Italian empire though.
I did fight one fun battle, the Germans (who I guess are allied) moved to help, and the province was rebelling, so it was a four way battle. The Italian army was fairly pathetic (a lone Spearman and a unit of archers) so I sent off some Fuedal Knights to deal with them. The bulk of my army raced to secure a hilltop near the German starting position, and rained down arrows upon them. Some infantry and some heavy cav moved toward the rebels (who had Men-At-Arms/Spearmen and peasants) but kept a safe distance - I just wanted to be sure they didnt outflank my main army.
The Germans moved around the base of the hill and attacked the two units of Men-At-Arms that where there. They held out long enough however for me to charge my other two Men-At-Arms down the hill and into their flanks, and eventually they broke. The rebels meanwhile had done nothing, so they now faced the entirety of my army, and where quickly decimated.
I don't think I'm going to win before 1230, so I'm going to have to move some of my rear-stacks (who have been staying in newly captured provinces to ensure loyalty) back towards Khazar. This is going to slow my current rate of expansion a fair bit - but I think defeating the Mongols will be a fitting end to this campaign http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
King John II
11-05-2003, 18:42
If you have good castles to the east you might try garrisoning with just a unit of royal knights and then let the horde either wear itself out against the walls or just sit outside waiting until you can spare them your attention (Dave P's tactic).
hey, I'd never though of that. Unfortunately, I've got nada in khazar (that is where they first attack right? I cant quite remember...). Doesn't matter... it looks like most of the rest of the game will be chasing round piddling little armies... a big massive setpiece battle will be a welcome change.
1219 - Victory http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
Wanting to speed things up a bit, I started bribing like crazy. I had 200K Florins, and owning almost the entire map give you a lot of income, so there was no reason not to.
(Heres a tip - if you have a slash & burn army laying waste to some long-held enemy territory, have some emissaries follow them around. If you can afford it, bribing the rebels/loyalist troops that usually appear after your army moves on is a great way to get new troops, and perhaps permanently secure the province)
Jeez... it seems the harder you squeeze the harder it is to finish. In short, I bribed most of Britain and the few remaining rebel provinces. I steadily moved through Germany, making sure I had lots of troops in recently occupied provinces. Meanwhile I encroached on France from the long-contested Southern border, trapping their King in a siege in Toulouse where he eventually starved to death. The German King was soon killed in battle.
The Italians where suprisingly annoying, mostly because of their sea-superiority. They caused some havoc in two or three provinces I had long ago assumed where 'safe', but eventually, through military superirority and bribes I took them all.
I crushed the first Papal re-emergence, but the second I miscalculated and didn't have enough troops in the right place at the right time. El Papa took back the Papal States and excommunicated me, causing 5 of my Russian states to instantly rebel. Luckily by troop build up in Khazar was enough to quickly put an end to them, and soon after I killed the Italians and again had sea superiority, allowing free troop movement once again - the Pope went down.
The remergance of the Byzantines on the Mediterranean islands was annoying, but not dangerous. Two of their islands where immediatly betrayed for the right amount of money, and their 5 stack army + King was defeated in a fairly mammoth battle (in which I got to try out some of the new Chivalric troops for the first time).
In 1217 King Alfonso died... in 1218 the Byzantinian siege ran out, and 1219 the rebels on Malta where bribed. Poor Alfonso died just two years before he ruled the world. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
The ending was nice. In truth I hadn't expected anything, but I liked the little blurb, and the ending music was nice. Then I uninstalled the bastard http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Well... see you all in Rome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Gregoshi
11-11-2003, 05:32
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